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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #500 on: November 07, 2013, 09:17:00 AM »
"Racist France is back"? Has it ever been over?
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« Reply #501 on: November 14, 2013, 08:54:29 AM »
New YouGov/HuffPo poll: the bottom is falling out

Flanby approval
Disapprove 76% (+7)
Approve 15% (-6)

Even PS-EELV sympathizers disapprove, 49-44. Zero stands at 74-15, government approval is at 14%. As far as I know, 15% is an all-time low for any French President. Of course it's YouGov.
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« Reply #502 on: November 14, 2013, 09:05:10 AM »
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
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« Reply #503 on: November 17, 2013, 07:02:12 AM »
IFOP poll:



Worst president ever since polling began in 1958.
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« Reply #504 on: November 17, 2013, 07:27:52 AM »
OMG wow.

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« Reply #505 on: November 17, 2013, 08:57:18 AM »
Sarkozy will be re-elected.
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« Reply #506 on: November 17, 2013, 09:00:05 AM »
Oh .
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« Reply #507 on: November 17, 2013, 09:40:30 AM »
Still 3.5 years to go. Wonder how that translates downballot for next year's municipals.
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« Reply #508 on: November 17, 2013, 11:07:56 AM »
Quote from: RogueBeaver on November 17, 2013, 09:40:30 AM
Still 3.5 years to go. Wonder how that translates downballot for next year's municipals.

Honestly, compared to France, New Hampshire looks like Mississippi for elasticity...
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« Reply #509 on: November 18, 2013, 08:26:15 AM »
Some guy with a hunting rifle is running amok in Paris today:

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« Reply #510 on: November 20, 2013, 08:35:52 AM »
When the hell will the rot for Hollande stop? Even a dead cat bounces, and all that.
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« Reply #511 on: November 20, 2013, 09:06:22 AM »
Well, when he does anything good. Even when he does anything, at all.
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« Reply #512 on: November 20, 2013, 09:22:50 PM »
The shooting suspect has been arrested.
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« Reply #513 on: November 21, 2013, 05:37:00 AM »
OMG, it's an Arab. Let the racist drivel begin...
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« Reply #514 on: November 21, 2013, 11:10:49 PM »
Holy sh*t Flanby.  Please.  Don't run in 2017.  Please.  Hell, resign now, frankly.  You may have killed the French left for a good 20 years. 
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« Reply #515 on: November 21, 2013, 11:36:32 PM »
PS has been through worse before: 1993 when they got bounced into third, but 4 years later they were back with a comfortable majority government. Hugely elastic electorate, as windjammer pointed out.

More bad economic news: contraction and possible recession is on the horizon.
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« Reply #516 on: November 22, 2013, 02:10:53 PM »
« Edited: November 22, 2013, 02:13:42 PM by MW Archduke windjammer »
Quote from: RogueBeaver on November 21, 2013, 11:36:32 PM
PS has been through worse before: 1993 when they got bounced into third, but 4 years later they were back with a comfortable majority government. Hugely elastic electorate, as windjammer pointed out.

More bad economic news: contraction and possible recession is on the horizon.

Honestly, I don't see Ayrault staying PM after 2015 French regional elections.


Quote from: Peter the Lefty on November 21, 2013, 11:10:49 PM
Holy sh*t Flanby.  Please.  Don't run in 2017.  Please.  Hell, resign now, frankly.  You may have killed the French left for a good 20 years.  
No, Flanby isn't horrible, "it's economy, stupid" (Bill Clinton).
Well, an another thing, French elections are really elastic except presidential election. See Sarkozy, unpopular but got 48%. If he's reelected or defeated in 2017, it  will probably be by a 5-6% margin at best.
Well, honestly, I have the feeling Regional elections will be disastrous in 2015: UMP will probably control 19,20 regions!
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« Reply #517 on: November 22, 2013, 02:25:29 PM »
This may seem a rather silly question, but why do French Presidents always become so unpopular?
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« Reply #518 on: November 22, 2013, 02:32:34 PM »
Quote from: Cassius on November 22, 2013, 02:25:29 PM
This may seem a rather silly question, but why do French Presidents always become so unpopular?

Clinton: "It's economy, stupid".
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« Reply #519 on: November 22, 2013, 04:17:17 PM »
It's not only the economy. It's also has to do with the fact he's barely done anything since elected.
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« Reply #520 on: November 22, 2013, 05:58:23 PM »
Quote from: Antonio V on November 22, 2013, 04:17:17 PM
It's not only the economy. It's also has to do with the fact he's barely done anything since elected.

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I don't think Flanby is the worst person ever and that he's some sort of all-time horrible president, but the truth is that Flanby's unpopularity isn't only because the economy is in the sh**tter and circumstances outside of his power.
 
His economic/fiscal policy is disapproved by the right, centre and a lot of the left for varying reasons. His government is rather inexperienced and has little internal cohesion, given the public feuds between various ministers or the constant need for somebody to tell somebody else to behave or stick to the official line. For this and other reasons, the government also appears to be quite incompetent, vacillating and like a deer in the headlights. Besides gay marriage, it's hard to think of one major groundbreaking policy initiative/reform/whatever that has come out of this government (nobody cares about/aren't super enthused by the laws passed on jobs and whatever). His Prime Minister is basically AWOL and has done anything whatsoever. The right/far-right's demagoguery on immigration is successful. Flanby looked like an idiot with the Leonarda case recently. Nobody cares about Flanby's main foreign policy success (Mali) and his behaviour wrt Syria made him look like some weak fool. The whole 'président normal' bullsh**t died out very quickly when Flanby began behaving like Poison Dwarf and his predecessors. The government's response to the Cahuzac case was pretty crappy and it lost a lot of credibility.

That being said, can we cut the sensationalist bullsh**t about "losing power for 20 years"? I'm not denying 2014/2015 will be extremely bloody, and that Flanby will probably lose in 2017 if things keep going this way (probably along Ségo '07 and Chirac '88 margins, potentially Mitterrand '65); but the idea that the left will be out of power for 20 years because of Flanby is laughable. The French left isn't dead, because the French left as a thing can't die (and neither can the right).
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« Reply #521 on: November 25, 2013, 07:08:35 PM »
In other news, I've been purged from my party. More about this tomorrow if I can get some sleep in the mean time...
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« Reply #522 on: November 25, 2013, 10:07:17 PM »
Quote from: Mr Bear, King of Animals on November 25, 2013, 07:08:35 PM
In other news, I've been purged from my party. More about this tomorrow if I can get some sleep in the mean time...

It's the issue with the personality cults.
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« Reply #523 on: November 25, 2013, 10:35:12 PM »
Quote from: Mr Bear, King of Animals on November 25, 2013, 07:08:35 PM
In other news, I've been purged from my party. More about this tomorrow if I can get some sleep in the mean time...

Sad related to the common lists with PS...or?
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« Reply #524 on: November 26, 2013, 10:39:53 AM »
Quote from: Mr Bear, King of Animals on November 25, 2013, 07:08:35 PM
In other news, I've been purged from my party. More about this tomorrow if I can get some sleep in the mean time...

What party is that? FG? Do they actually purge people like in the good old days? Tongue
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