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« Reply #750 on: July 23, 2014, 12:16:47 PM »

AssNat just voted to adopt the 13 region plan. Wonder how long till the Senate sends it to Flanby for signature.

There's a chance the Senate could stall it (opposition+FG has a majority there) but it will end up passing, depressingly.
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« Reply #751 on: July 23, 2014, 12:40:20 PM »
« Edited: July 23, 2014, 12:47:15 PM by PASOK Leader Hashemite »

How horrible. The little amount of debate - and the debate which did take place was total horsecrap - on this issue (which is important) is totally and utterly depressing. Nobody even questioned the rationale of this project or its effects.

The 'Socialist' parliamentarians, except the 27 who abstained and the lone 8 who were sensible enough to vote against, just voted like sheep without questioning anything. Parti de godillots, pays de merde...

On this note, there's absolutely no chance that I'll vote for the "left"/"Socialists" in the runoff in 2017. This pathetic bunch of losers, morons and imbeciles deserve any thumping they receive and it doesn't even matter who gives it to them at this point. I definitely regret voting for Flanby in 2012.

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« Reply #752 on: July 23, 2014, 01:44:45 PM »

How horrible. The little amount of debate - and the debate which did take place was total horsecrap - on this issue (which is important) is totally and utterly depressing. Nobody even questioned the rationale of this project or its effects.

The 'Socialist' parliamentarians, except the 27 who abstained and the lone 8 who were sensible enough to vote against, just voted like sheep without questioning anything. Parti de godillots, pays de merde...

On this note, there's absolutely no chance that I'll vote for the "left"/"Socialists" in the runoff in 2017. This pathetic bunch of losers, morons and imbeciles deserve any thumping they receive and it doesn't even matter who gives it to them at this point. I definitely regret voting for Flanby in 2012.

Breizh Dieub.

Even if Front National reach the next round?
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« Reply #753 on: July 23, 2014, 02:15:39 PM »

How horrible. The little amount of debate - and the debate which did take place was total horsecrap - on this issue (which is important) is totally and utterly depressing. Nobody even questioned the rationale of this project or its effects.

The 'Socialist' parliamentarians, except the 27 who abstained and the lone 8 who were sensible enough to vote against, just voted like sheep without questioning anything. Parti de godillots, pays de merde...

On this note, there's absolutely no chance that I'll vote for the "left"/"Socialists" in the runoff in 2017. This pathetic bunch of losers, morons and imbeciles deserve any thumping they receive and it doesn't even matter who gives it to them at this point. I definitely regret voting for Flanby in 2012.

Breizh Dieub.

Even if Front National reach the next round?

Well, if it happens (and it very well might), it would still be extremely (extremely) unlikely that Panzergirl would win so my one vote wouldn't make a huge difference. I would probably hold my nose and vote for whoever is up against her if it looks close, or more likely cast an invalid vote.
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« Reply #754 on: July 25, 2014, 04:32:45 AM »

I think 2012 marked the last time I voted for the French socialists as well. They just aren't in any prospect... socialists anymore, you know. Even in a European sense. In any sense.

Oh and Sarkozy was obviously our worst president for a long time... until Hollande came in and took the spot.
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« Reply #755 on: July 25, 2014, 07:58:45 AM »
« Edited: July 25, 2014, 02:01:36 PM by swl »

Who gives a s... about the name of its region?

I was from Languedoc-Roussillon, now I will be from Languedoc-Pyrénées, or something like that. Not a big deal... I am unsure why some people want to spend ages discussing this small reform.
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« Reply #756 on: August 20, 2014, 05:29:13 AM »

Our UMP MEPs are already hard at work, tackling the real issues which matter. Today's issue: the Muslim women at the beach wearing veils (Nadine Morano leading the charge, shockingly).

https://twitter.com/nadine__morano/status/501282813589860352/photo/1
http://women.mg.co.za/row-over-french-meps-veil-comments/
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« Reply #757 on: August 20, 2014, 01:01:06 PM »

Who gives a s... about the name of its region?

I was from Languedoc-Roussillon, now I will be from Languedoc-Pyrénées, or something like that. Not a big deal... I am unsure why some people want to spend ages discussing this small reform.

I don't think it's the names that chiefly concern Hashemite, and from what I've heard of this reform I wouldn't think to consider it 'small'.
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« Reply #758 on: August 25, 2014, 06:18:25 AM »

French government is imploding right now.
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« Reply #759 on: August 25, 2014, 07:47:57 AM »

French government is imploding right now.

Nah, more like Flamby staging a parodical self-coup by sacking the "dissident" ministers, in an attempt to impress France with his virile strength.
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« Reply #760 on: August 25, 2014, 09:34:08 AM »
« Edited: August 25, 2014, 09:36:50 AM by PASOK Leader Hashemite »

Yeah, it's the usual protocol of the PM 'resigning' and getting appointed again immediately, so that he can execute a few rebels and idiots. The good news, I guess, is that Montebourg is a goner. The bad news is that Filippetti, one of the few competent and ostensibly honest ministers, is also out. The other bad news is that this means full steam ahead for this horrendous crypto-rightist government.
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« Reply #761 on: August 25, 2014, 09:38:09 AM »

hahaha what have they done again
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« Reply #762 on: August 25, 2014, 09:44:35 AM »

Yeah, it's the usual protocol of the PM 'resigning' and getting appointed again immediately, so that he can execute a few rebels and idiots. The good news, I guess, is that Montebourg is a goner. The bad news is that Filippetti, one of the few competent and ostensibly honest ministers, is also out. The other bad news is that this means full steam ahead for this horrendous crypto-rightist government.

Yeah, this is basically the right-wing assholes going Night of the Long Knives on the True Leftist assholes. It's hard to feel either happy or sad about it.
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« Reply #763 on: August 25, 2014, 10:10:29 AM »

Montebourg has announced that he's out. I didn't listen to him, but it appears he went out with a bang and in his usual holier-than-thou arrogant douchebag manner:

"Je vais prendre exemple sur Cincinnatus qui préféra quitter le pouvoir pour retourner à ses champs et à ses charrues. Je vais retourner travailler avec les Français. Vive le redressement productif, vive la République et vive la France".

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« Reply #764 on: August 25, 2014, 10:15:39 AM »

Lol Montebourg. Anyways any chance that they lose the confidence vote?
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« Reply #765 on: August 25, 2014, 10:18:12 AM »

"Je vais prendre exemple sur Cincinnatus qui préféra quitter le pouvoir pour retourner à ses champs et à ses charrues. Je vais retourner travailler avec les Français. Vive le redressement productif, vive la République et vive la France".

Oh. My. God. How can this guy be real?!?
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« Reply #766 on: August 25, 2014, 11:19:27 AM »

What the fyck.
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« Reply #767 on: August 25, 2014, 11:39:38 AM »

Well, at least Flanby successfully ended austerity before all this shenanigans.
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« Reply #768 on: August 25, 2014, 11:56:07 AM »

Will anything ever go right for Flanby?

Just seen Montebourg on BBC News. Sounded like he may as well have been announcing his 2017 campaign.
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« Reply #769 on: August 25, 2014, 12:14:49 PM »
« Edited: August 25, 2014, 12:22:56 PM by swl »

You guys seem to disagree with Montebourg ideas, but him and Taubira seem to be the only people alive in this government. If they happen to leave, there is no one left in the government except boring people who have not a single idea of what to do with their power, led by a guy who could not care less about France and who only seeks personal power.

It also confirms what we all already know: Hollande is extremely weak and he does not control anything or anyone. Valls is the one in power, but I don't think that's a good news...

At least the new government may be more coherent, but who's going to support them? Hollande is at something like 16% of public support, and he keeps making more and more enemies every day.
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« Reply #770 on: August 25, 2014, 12:41:53 PM »

You guys seem to disagree with Montebourg ideas, but him and Taubira seem to be the only people alive in this government. If they happen to leave, there is no one left in the government except boring people who have not a single idea of what to do with their power, led by a guy who could not care less about France and who only seeks personal power.

How do Montebourg and Taubira not fit into this category as well? Making angry rants about greedy banksters and the need to save factories is not the same as having ideas. The French left, from the dumbest True Leftist to the most shameless neoliberal sellout, has the same basic problem: they only think in slogans and soundbites. Any form of complex reasoning is lost to them. The do nothing but constantly rehash the same few old clichés, and assume they are going to solve everything because that's the way we do it in France!!! Repeating the same few lines over and over and over. Austeritards will talk every day about the need for "hard choices", the burden of debt on our children, the household metaphor, the importance of honoring our commitments etc. Meanwhile the True Left will keep talking like they're fùcking Robespierre or something and talk about how everything will be fine if we just throw out money everywhere and make those damn banksters pay for it! Yay! There is not an ounce of intelligent thought in either of them.

And you know what's really sad: these are actually the least bad we've got among potential governing parties. Welcome to France!
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« Reply #771 on: August 25, 2014, 02:50:08 PM »
« Edited: August 25, 2014, 02:53:51 PM by swl »

Montebourg and Taubira can be leaders, like Valls. It's not the case of someone like Sapin for example.
If I am upset it's mainly because I don't like Valls and I am not happy with him kicking out all those who may resist him. But it's obviously better for Valls/Hollande to have a united government.
They should pay attention not to completely lose the left of the PS, and to do so I think they should keep Taubira. She is a rebel on law and order, but since their main concern is economy it's not a real problem.
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« Reply #772 on: August 25, 2014, 03:36:39 PM »
« Edited: August 25, 2014, 05:04:11 PM by Tetro Kornbluth »

You guys seem to disagree with Montebourg ideas, but him and Taubira seem to be the only people alive in this government. If they happen to leave, there is no one left in the government except boring people who have not a single idea of what to do with their power, led by a guy who could not care less about France and who only seeks personal power.

How do Montebourg and Taubira not fit into this category as well? Making angry rants about greedy banksters and the need to save factories is not the same as having ideas. The French left, from the dumbest True Leftist to the most shameless neoliberal sellout, has the same basic problem: they only think in slogans and soundbites. Any form of complex reasoning is lost to them. The do nothing but constantly rehash the same few old clichés, and assume they are going to solve everything because that's the way we do it in France!!! Repeating the same few lines over and over and over. Austeritards will talk every day about the need for "hard choices", the burden of debt on our children, the household metaphor, the importance of honoring our commitments etc. Meanwhile the True Left will keep talking like they're fùcking Robespierre or something and talk about how everything will be fine if we just throw out money everywhere and make those damn banksters pay for it! Yay! There is not an ounce of intelligent thought in either of them.

And you know what's really sad: these are actually the least bad we've got among potential governing parties. Welcome to France!

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« Reply #773 on: August 25, 2014, 03:40:46 PM »
« Edited: August 25, 2014, 03:42:53 PM by Robb the Survivor »

Sorry Gully, but it seems like you screwed up the quote tags. Tongue

As for the point, please, I don't have any high expectations on politics, but it's not unrealistic to ask for something more than what France is providing us with. Heck, even Italy has half-decent politicians right now.
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« Reply #774 on: August 26, 2014, 08:10:11 AM »

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Is there a single success that we will remember from Hollande presidency in 10 years? For now, in two years and a half they only did one thing, and it's Taubira who did it.

Montebourg wanted to nationalize the Florange factory. At least it was something. What's better, a nationalized factory or no factory at all? If it had failed then it would have been its responsibilty, but he has not even been allowed to try, and everyone else is watching without doing anything.

This not related, but I have to praise Fabius for doing his job. He does not talk too much to the media, he's not getting involved in national politics, but thanks to him France is involved in every international issue.
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