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« Reply #800 on: September 03, 2014, 10:02:41 AM »

Treirweiler claims Flanby's an elitist snob, disdaining her working-class parents and referring to poor people as "toothless." Any denial or non-denial denial yet?
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« Reply #801 on: September 04, 2014, 09:24:19 AM »

Can we cut their heads already?
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« Reply #802 on: September 04, 2014, 04:17:52 PM »


If this is confirmed (you can't entirely dismiss the possibility she's making all this up out of spite) it's definitely the worst thing we've learnt about Hollande so far. And it's definitely going to bite him in the ass in 2017, just like Sarko's callousness did in 2012.
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« Reply #803 on: September 04, 2014, 07:58:51 PM »

For people who knows French politics... Will a Montebourg primary against Hollande in PS work or president has enough patronage power to prevent this that best way is trying to run independently or in a alliance with PG-PCF (Programme commun 2017)?
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« Reply #804 on: September 05, 2014, 07:39:24 AM »

IFOP: Panzergirl would lead Round 1 against all comers. If Flanby makes the runoff, she trounces him 54/46. Umpistes would all crush her: Juppe 2/1, Sarko by 20 and Fillon by 14. Flanby at 13% approval.
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« Reply #805 on: September 05, 2014, 07:46:52 AM »

For people who knows French politics... Will a Montebourg primary against Hollande in PS work or president has enough patronage power to prevent this that best way is trying to run independently or in a alliance with PG-PCF (Programme commun 2017)?

Normally incumbent Presidents skip the primary step altogether (there is no established permanent system like in the US). That said, if the numbers that RB posted hold, it's quite possible Flamby doesn't even run again.
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« Reply #806 on: September 05, 2014, 01:44:58 PM »
« Edited: September 05, 2014, 01:48:23 PM by PASOK Leader Hashemite »

Details of the poll from Ifop:

Panzergirl 28%
Poison Dwarf 25%
Flanby 16%
Bayrou 12%
Mélenchon 10%
NDA 4%
Duflot 3%
Arthaud+Poutou 2%

Panzergirl 30%
Juppé 24%
Flanby 16%
Bayrou 11%
Mélenchon 10%
NDA 4%
Duflot 3%
Arthaud+Poutou 2%

Panzergirl 32%
Fillon 17%
Flanby 17%
Bayrou 14%
Mélenchon 10%
NDA 5%
Duflot 3%
Arthaud+Poutou 2%

Runoff scenarios:

Fillon/Flanby: 62-38
Juppé/Flanby: 66-34
Poison Dwarf/Flanby: 61-39
Panzergirl/Flanby: 54-46

Fillon/Panzergirl: 57-43
Juppé/Panzergirl: 64-36
Poison Dwarf/Panzergirl: 60-40

Please abolish democracy immediately.
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« Reply #807 on: September 05, 2014, 02:05:03 PM »

Please abolish democracy completely out of context polls polling the most personal election there is with candidates that nobody knows if they will run or not immediately.
Fixed for ya.
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« Reply #808 on: September 05, 2014, 02:30:36 PM »
« Edited: September 06, 2014, 12:08:28 AM by MalaspinaGold »



How long does it take before Hollande drops into the single digits?
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« Reply #809 on: September 05, 2014, 04:31:09 PM »

Thomas Thevenoud, new trade minister, resigns after nine days because tax problems.
http://www.france24.com/en/20140904-thevenoud-trade-junior-minister-resignation-tax-cahuzac/

How long does it take before Hollande drops into the single digits?
If anyone can pull it off, it's him, and it may not be that long. Still, we never had the PS below 13% in any election whatsoever, so I guess it's kind of his rock-bottom floor.
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« Reply #810 on: September 05, 2014, 07:23:26 PM »

Marine - Hollande 54-46. Perfect


Hollande make is work beyond my dreams. We knwew that, after 10 years of liberal-conservatism UMP, we need another 5 years of bullsh**tting poltics (if Sarko had been reelected, left would have win in 2017).

Now all the left is a cemetary, UMP is broken between his electorate, who vote FN on 2nd round, and the leaders of the grandson of the Opportunist Party, who are UDI-wingers. (except Laurent Wauquiez)

Let's wait and enjoy.





useless. Abolish the left will be good enough.
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« Reply #811 on: September 06, 2014, 05:33:50 AM »
« Edited: September 06, 2014, 03:43:14 PM by Velasco »

Today France definitely met its Blair/Schröder/Zappatero and directly switches from an unconfessed 'social-democratie' to 'social-liberalism'.

That doesn't sound new. The main difference between the little and nervous Catalan and Zapatero is that the latter was more sensible towards immigrants and other minorities, which is at least a signal of decency. But all the politicians you mentioned are just useless 'social liberals'. The right, you know, has been fighting a Gramscian battle for cultural hegemony since the 70s. The European socialdemocracy and the left have been defeated and/or reduced to a pitiful state. They are all innocuous. That's why I'm considering giving a chance to our new Gramscians, although the whole thing poses in me more questions than answers.  

Also, LOL Flanby.
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« Reply #812 on: September 09, 2014, 06:30:53 PM »

Sarko will announce his UMP leadership bid next week.
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« Reply #813 on: September 10, 2014, 09:21:45 PM »

I assume the comments about poor people are true. They actually make me like Hollande more.

I also think poor people are mostly awful and largely responsible for their own plight. I'm a socialist but mostly because I think people are too stupid to live their own lives. They need the government to keep them from falling into outright squalor.
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« Reply #814 on: September 10, 2014, 09:35:38 PM »

I assume the comments about poor people are true. They actually make me like Hollande more.

I also think poor people are mostly awful and largely responsible for their own plight. I'm a socialist but mostly because I think people are too stupid to live their own lives. They need the government to keep them from falling into outright squalor.

Then you aren't a socialist.
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« Reply #815 on: September 10, 2014, 09:42:47 PM »

I assume the comments about poor people are true. They actually make me like Hollande more.

I also think poor people are mostly awful and largely responsible for their own plight. I'm a socialist but mostly because I think people are too stupid to live their own lives. They need the government to keep them from falling into outright squalor.
You sir, are a horrible, horrible person. The new "worst."
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« Reply #816 on: September 10, 2014, 10:02:22 PM »

I assume the comments about poor people are true. They actually make me like Hollande more.

I also think poor people are mostly awful and largely responsible for their own plight. I'm a socialist but mostly because I think people are too stupid to live their own lives. They need the government to keep them from falling into outright squalor.
You sir, are a horrible, horrible person. The new "worst."

You live in Florida. That whole state proves my thesis.
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« Reply #817 on: September 10, 2014, 10:30:23 PM »

I assume the comments about poor people are true. They actually make me like Hollande more.

I also think poor people are mostly awful and largely responsible for their own plight. I'm a socialist but mostly because I think people are too stupid to live their own lives. They need the government to keep them from falling into outright squalor.
You sir, are a horrible, horrible person. The new "worst."

You live in Florida. That whole state proves my thesis.
lol
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« Reply #818 on: September 11, 2014, 11:46:25 AM »

Feels weird saying that but... Sanchez is absolutely, 100% correct. You are a horrible person.
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« Reply #819 on: September 11, 2014, 12:42:39 PM »

I assume the comments about poor people are true. They actually make me like Hollande more.

I also think poor people are mostly awful and largely responsible for their own plight. I'm a socialist but mostly because I think people are too stupid to live their own lives. They need the government to keep them from falling into outright squalor.
I too was of this opinion. Ten years ago, as a teenager. Then I realised it wasn't what being a socialist is about. Being a socialist is about eventually getting rid of government altogether, once inequalities are settled. If not, it's called fascism.
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« Reply #820 on: September 13, 2014, 01:53:00 PM »
« Edited: September 13, 2014, 01:57:57 PM by swl »

An interesting thing is that we wants to come back on a more centrist position. He even suggested that the UMP should merge with the UDI. That's a good development, and it's also obviously a good strategy given that centrist voters who chose Hollande in 2012 are unlikely to do it again. He wants to avoid a centrist candidate in 2017, and between Hollande and Sarkozy most of them will choose Sarkozy.
On the other hand, since Hollande/Valls also opted for a centrist position, there is plenty of room on the left and the right for Mélenchon/Montebourg/(others?) and Le Pen, but not enough to win a presidential election.

Even if Sarkozy will probably become leader the UMP, I still a lot of doubt about its capacity to run for the primaries in 2016: his problems with the justice are not going to get any better in the coming months/years.
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« Reply #821 on: September 13, 2014, 02:03:50 PM »

An interesting thing is that we wants to come back on a more centrist position.

No. I have no idea what led you to think so, but this is most definitely not the case.

Anyway, if he really does come back, considering his precarious judicial position, his campaign will be something Berlusconi-style. It's going to be a tragedy of epic proportion.
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« Reply #822 on: September 15, 2014, 01:46:13 PM »

I just listened or read what he said, or what is said about him. That would be very bad for Hollande/Valls, there is no difference between them and a more centrist Sarkozy, whether on economy, immigration, security or even individual freedoms (see the last law on terrorism for example).

Why would people vote for the PS when they try to imitate Sarkozy? By definition, the original is better. I can really imagine the PS having a PASOK fate -  they will do something like 12% in 2017.
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« Reply #823 on: September 15, 2014, 02:10:33 PM »

PS will probably be saved from the fate of PASOK by single-member constituencies and the lack of a credible, anti-establishment French version of Syriza.

(They are probably slightly safer than the PSOE is from Podemos, and much safer than Irish or Dutch Labour)
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« Reply #824 on: September 15, 2014, 04:16:42 PM »

I was thinking that the real 'anti-establishment' peril in France was Panzergirl and not the innocuous FdG. The French electoral system might produce a supermajority for the UMP, instead of 'saving' the PS from a terrible fate. As for PSOE, ask me after the 2015 elections, especially if a 'Grand Coalition' materializes from the air.
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