France General Discussion II: Living under Marxism

[njwes]

New hate speech laws in the pipeline.

[swl]

Honestly, I don't get why people (both on the pro and anti sides) make a big deal of the Macron law. It seems like very small and inconsequential stuff to me. The biggest travesty is that the government wasted months on this empty shell instead of trying to do any serious reform.

http://www.euractiv.com/sections/euro-finance/brussels-demands-more-ambitious-reforms-france-312472

And Brussels wants more. Tough job ahead for the government!

[windjammer]

http://www.20minutes.fr/television/1558019-20150309-video-frederic-mitterrand-fait-reves-erotiques-manuel-valls

Lmao

[MaxQue]

Well, it's Frédéric Miterrand. At least, it's not Thai boys this time.

[Zanas]

Are you sure you're able to cite which rights it's taking away from workers?

As a labor inspector ? Yes.

Mainly :
- lessening the workers' representatives' control over collective layoff procedures
- lessening the Administration's control over the same
- switching a number of jurisdictions in matters related to workers' representation from the Administration to the civil social courts (the prud'hommes), which already don't have enough time to deal with everything they're up to
- not giving any sort of relief (financial, personnel, etc.) to said prud'hommes, instead basically just forcing them to take decisions quicklier
- and, last but not least, allowing the government to legislate by means of ordonnances on subjects as occupational medicine and labor inspection, presumably not in a sense of reinforcing their prerogatives.

So, yeah, not cutting wages by half, ok, but slowly a socialist government is stripping the workforce of their already slowly acquired rights and protection. Good to know.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Just a little news:

After having revealed that Mathieu Gallet, very young new CEO of Radio France, French public radio group, had spent 100.000€ to redesign his office while Radio France has to face some savings, the Canard Enchaîné now reveals that he spent 125.000€ for the same thing when he was leading INA (National Institute of Archives), and 1 million € for 'advices'!

My f**king generation is on the rise...

[swl]

Important development today in view of the presidential election of 2017: the UMP decided that their primary election will be open to everyone who pays 2 euros and signs a "chart of values". They should vote on it next week to make it official. Rather bad for Sarkozy and good news for everyone else on the center-right, since as of now he is very popular among the UMP party members but much less among the general center-right population.

I have a slight hope now that France may get a decent president in 2017.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Important development today in view of the presidential election of 2017: the UMP decided that their primary will be open to everyone who pays 2 euros and signs a "chart of values". Rather bad for Sarkozy and good news for everyone else on the center-right, since as of now he is very popular among the UMP party members but much less among the general center-right population.

I have a slight hope now that France may get a decent president in 2017.

I'm ready to pay and sign the chart (unless the text it reads is really too revolting) if that gives me a chance to prevent Posion Dwarf's comeback.

[swl]

same for me

[MaxQue]

I suppose the big winner of that is Juppé or has his star fallen in the last months?

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

2€ is enough to make a lot of people step back.

Juppé remains the main popular rightist politician in the country, he managed to get an image of both serious and wise person, regardless he was PM during the huge 1995 strikes (maybe the biggest ones after 1936, and 1968, which is something).

To be honnest that might remain the most decent one of the political class, but still terribly classical, but don't ask me, I'm not waiting the slightest thing from the political level, the basic intellectual and moral decency would even prevent to still call it politics.

80% abstention is a little dream of mine.

As for Sarkozy, the more Juppé will stay high, the more you can expect the nervous guy to do all what's possible to screw it, no matter it would screw the whole situation.

2017, in case it waits till this, has all the ingredients to be something like terrible (and by 2017, I mean the couple présidentielles/législatives). Imagine Marine Le Pen making like 40% in a 2nd run (impossible?), and then eventually ending up with say less than 20-100 deputies, if a regime crisis doesn't happen with something like that, then it seems hard to escape it in the years/months that gonna follow.

This country always advance by crisis, crisis, and crisis, we need to set a f**king mess before trying to eventually fix something. Face it or flee it but it seems hard to escape it.

So far we used to have progressive revolts, hey are we facing our 1st majoritarily reactionary crisis? (1934 was big it's 1936 that won, and I don't count collaboration, it's been done under force, even if 'a few' hadn't to be forced a lot...).

Future will tell, and hey, you never know maybe if people figure out MLP's way is really totally empty and would only add some mess, maybe this country will manage to set a kind of new progressive alliance, people like Duflot and Mélenchon and all their good will are trying this.

Hey, worked in Grenoble.

Truly, right now, I have an hard time seeing this possible.

What's happening is beyond politics it's a whole societal move, and today social progress seems to be old fashioned and awkward, while reactionarism (well, that modern reactionarism which has much density as a marshmallow) seems to be so cool and totally legitimate...

'Hey this country has been too nice and too lax during too many years, enough now! It's time to be nasty and selfish! Woohoo! So cool!!'

Actually, I really don't know if I would go voting if MLP was in the 2nd run.

I don't fear social chaos, except a little elite of this country most people are already more or less into it, and her 'winning' (oh lol, f**king dear...) might be the crisis for this country to make up his mind on a lot of issues (Europe, its democratic system, its outdated unconnected institutations, and, hopefully, you never know, even with representative democracy itself. So, why not letting people shooting in their feet, and then you could always ask them:

Ca y est, tu l'as faîte ta connerie, t'es content, c'est bon, t'as vu que c'était n'importe quoi, on peut passer à autre chose maintenant?

The only thing that would truly annoy me in case of an MLP victory (oh lol, f**king f**king dear...), would be all what she could do against bi-nationals.

It's a big topic of hers. You can't be French and Algerian, you choose. Because there is a good proportion of Maghrebis/Algerians who still have the double nationality, and this would be something.

This and who knows, she could actually ask to send the army in rough districts (it's a big popular word in France...) when some riots last a bit.

Do this country needs all of this to purge all the stupidity and the good old reactionary ressents which are currently openly growing and growing and growing...

We'll see.

80% of abstention!!

Or at the very least 80% of blanks, which would say you're ok to keep a form of democracy, but not that totally doomed one.

That'd be a positive regime crisis.

[swl]

I suppose the big winner of that is Juppé or has his star fallen in the last months?

As for now, he is still the main opponent of Sarkozy on the right.

This kind of poll has a lot of limits, but there was a poll today saying that 13% of French people would like to vote in these primaries and they would vote:
32% Juppé
31% Sarkozy
6% Fillon
5% Le Maire
3% Kosciusko-Morizet
1% Bertrand
No poll the 2nd round that would follow.

Among the UMP sympathizers, they would vote 70% for Sarkozy, 18% for Juppé.
UDI sympathizers (small centrist party that allied with the UMP during the last election) would vote at 79% for Juppé and 2% for Sarkozy.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Well, we have no choice but to cross our fingers for Juppé.

[politicus]

France has adopted a new law banning ultra-thin and underweight models from working in the fashion industry. If people in the fashion industry violate the law, they risk fines or even prison sentences.

Israel imposed a similar law in 2013. Several other countries, including Spain and Italy, have issued a voluntary code of ethics for the fashion industry.

The law also means that it must be disclosed if photos rare retouched or altered to make models seem thinner.

Individuals who have a lower BMI than recommended by the Ministry of Health may no longer work as a fashion model.

Fashion models must in the future produce a medical certificate, which shows a BMI of at least 18 - for example, around 55 kg for a person who is 1,75 meters tall.

There will be carried out regular checks to enforce the law.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Freedom law!

[RogueBeaver]

Panzergirl is trying to expel Panzerdaddy from the party after he said he never considered Pétain a traitor and repeated his Holocaust comments.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Yeah, sh*t just got real in the Panzer Family.

[politicus]

Marine Le Pen accuses her 86 year old dad of sabotaging the party's new course and attempts to establish the movement in the "broad political center"

Last week JMLP restated his old line about the Nazi gas chambers being "a detail in history" called Spanish born Prime Minister Manuel Valls "the immigrant" and topped it off by defending Pétain.

Marine has countered by saying that her dad  seems to the pursuing a strategy that is "a mixture of the scorched earth tactic and political suicide."

"His status as honorary chairman does not give him the right to hijack FN with vulgar provocations apparently aimed at me, but unfortunately harming the entire movement."

Wonder how long it takes before Marine arranges an "accident" for her old man.

[politicus]

Okay, I see there were two posts posted about this while I wrote mine.

[swl]

Marine Le Pen and her main lieutenants declared their opposition to JMLP running during the regional elections in December (he was expected to be the FN frontrunner in the PACA region). As the article says, we will now this month who they choose as candidates. They would also like to expel him from the party, but it's unclear whether it's possible under the party's status.

Meanwhile, the UMP officially voted for the dates (20 and 27 december 2016) and the form of their primary election (discussed above). Moreover, it has been confirmed that from May 30th we should not talk about the UMP anymore, but about "Les Républicains".

[RogueBeaver]

Panzerdaddy's not running after all.

[CatoMinor]

Moreover, it has been confirmed that from May 30th we should not talk about the UMP anymore, but about "Les Républicains".

lol is this to piss off the leftwingers?

[You kip if you want to...]

People's Front of Judea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE

[swl]

Moreover, it has been confirmed that from May 30th we should not talk about the UMP anymore, but about "Les Républicains".

lol is this to piss off the leftwingers?

Main reason is that Sarkozy needs a fresh image. He is betting that people will trust him when he says that he is a different man. So it's a new party of a "new man".

Of course they are trying to monopolize the role of "defenders of the Republic", which pisses off every one else.

[Zanas]

Moreover, it has been confirmed that from May 30th we should not talk about the UMP anymore, but about "Les Républicains".

lol is this to piss off the leftwingers?

Main reason is that Sarkozy needs a fresh image. He is betting that people will trust him when he says that he is a different man. So it's a new party of a "new man".

Of course they are trying to monopolize the role of "defenders of the Republic", which pisses off every one else.

Should be noted that internally, the new name isn't unanimously welcomed, like at all. I know from UMP members (that I only know from a French political forum, I promptly reassure you ) that the odds are rather for keeping UMP than changing to "Les Républicains". Wait and see.