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« on: June 26, 2012, 11:13:18 pm »
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/27/us-usa-wildfires-idUSBRE85L1DD20120627

I have friends in the Colorado Springs area.  I hope evacuation efforts are effective, and we should wish everyone there the best, including posters on this forum who may be from the region.
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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2012, 11:24:23 pm »
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Are the people of Colorado Springs looking for a free market solution to this, rather than relying on the socialism of having fire departments?
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2012, 11:36:28 pm »
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Are the people of Colorado Springs looking for a free market solution to this, rather than relying on the socialism of having fire departments?

I admit to having a sense of humor sick enough to have chuckled, but the better angels of my nature don't think this is called for.

Seriously, though, how are firefighting efforts out there going? I take it not well, if they're looking at an evacuation.
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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2012, 11:38:39 pm »
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The Republicans blaming Obama for not doing more are really pissing me off.  Is there a Federal Agency that even helps with fire fighting?
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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2012, 11:39:57 pm »
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I imagine FEMA conceivably might, but I don't know that this is within their usual remit.
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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2012, 11:40:45 pm »
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Nathan, a friend of mine in the region said this evening that, when the winds shifted, wind speeds were gusting up to 65 mph.  He is posting pics on his FB now which show houses on the outer edge of Colorado Springs being consumed by huge blazes.  I think it's very difficult at the moment, and it's nighttime, making the evacuation and other efforts all the more difficult.
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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2012, 11:41:34 pm »
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Oh God. That's awful. I hope the evacuation is as orderly as it can be under these circumstances.
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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2012, 11:44:41 pm »
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And, on top of it all, I25 is also closed.
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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2012, 11:46:08 pm »
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I imagine FEMA conceivably might, but I don't know that this is within their usual remit.

Maybe with evacuations and now-homeless people, but I mean the firefighting itself.
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« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2012, 11:57:47 pm »
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One division of FEMA is the U.S. Fire Administration.  I think they provide some firefighter training and offer various kinds of coordination assistance and so on, but I don't know how much actual firefighting they do.
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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2012, 12:08:05 am »
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There's also been fires in Utah, including in Saratoga Springs, home of Mayor Mia Love (who is running for Congress, but did what any decent person would do and stayed to help her town, rather than going to a GOP big-wig fundraiser for her).
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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2012, 12:10:52 am »
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One division of FEMA is the U.S. Fire Administration.  I think they provide some firefighter training and offer various kinds of coordination assistance and so on, but I don't know how much actual firefighting they do.

Wikipedia just mentions training.
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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2012, 12:23:51 am »
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This picture is really amazing.  The pyrocumulus here is so developed it's actually begun forming pyrocumulonimbus, or thunderstorm clouds formed by the smoke from the fire.  You often don't see the pyrocumulus get this developed.  From a meteorological standpoint, it's fascinating, and it serves as a grave reminder of the power of nature:

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« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2012, 06:03:53 am »
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« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2012, 06:17:04 am »
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My boyfriend has an uncle and grandparents in Colorado Springs. Hope everything works out. I know the feeling, I had a 50k hectare fire about 20 miles from my city a month ago.
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« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2012, 11:12:59 am »
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My uncle and his family live about 5 miles from the fire. Fortunately for them, the wind is blowing the fire away from them.

Still....scary stuff. Hope everyone is ok. Sad
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« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2012, 01:15:11 pm »
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There's also been fires in Utah, including in Saratoga Springs, home of Mayor Mia Love (who is running for Congress, but did what any decent person would do and stayed to help her town, rather than going to a GOP big-wig fundraiser for her).

Yes, the Utah wildfires have been terrible too and have caused death, not just home destruction.  A salute to Mayor Love.
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« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2012, 06:02:11 pm »
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Inks, that picture is amazing and terrifying.  The people of CoSprings are in my thoughts.
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« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2012, 06:32:08 pm »
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There's also been fires in Utah, including in Saratoga Springs, home of Mayor Mia Love (who is running for Congress, but did what any decent person would do and stayed to help her town, rather than going to a GOP big-wig fundraiser for her).

Yes, the Utah wildfires have been terrible too and have caused death, not just home destruction.  A salute to Mayor Love.

And I'm not understanding how these fires have caused deaths.  Why are people not evacuating?
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« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2012, 06:47:16 pm »
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There's also been fires in Utah, including in Saratoga Springs, home of Mayor Mia Love (who is running for Congress, but did what any decent person would do and stayed to help her town, rather than going to a GOP big-wig fundraiser for her).

Yes, the Utah wildfires have been terrible too and have caused death, not just home destruction.  A salute to Mayor Love.

And I'm not understanding how these fires have caused deaths.  Why are people not evacuating?

The speed of the wind+lots of combustible dry wood, leaves, etc.+the heat of the air.
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« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2012, 07:04:54 pm »
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There's also been fires in Utah, including in Saratoga Springs, home of Mayor Mia Love (who is running for Congress, but did what any decent person would do and stayed to help her town, rather than going to a GOP big-wig fundraiser for her).

Yes, the Utah wildfires have been terrible too and have caused death, not just home destruction.  A salute to Mayor Love.

And I'm not understanding how these fires have caused deaths.  Why are people not evacuating?

The speed of the wind+lots of combustible dry wood, leaves, etc.+the heat of the air.

Maybe I'm just more in tune to this stuff than most people, but I'm of the mentality that 99.9% of wildfire deaths should be preventable.  Even a lot of hurricane deaths could be avoided if people just got out when they need to.
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« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2012, 08:01:01 pm »
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The Republicans blaming Obama for not doing more are really pissing me off.  Is there a Federal Agency that even helps with fire fighting?

Pretty sure the Forest Service helps. Not sure about other agencies.
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« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2012, 08:02:53 pm »
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I think the one death I read about in Utah may have been a firefighter, but I'm not certain.
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« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2012, 09:12:26 pm »
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I think the one death I read about in Utah may have been a firefighter, but I'm not certain.

He was overpaid anyway.
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« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2012, 12:17:30 am »
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The Republicans blaming Obama for not doing more are really pissing me off.  Is there a Federal Agency that even helps with fire fighting?

Pretty sure the Forest Service helps. Not sure about other agencies.

I always thought they were state run (but received money from the Feds)... apparently not.
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