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« on: June 27, 2012, 10:52:10 pm »
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though Young Tweed v. Department of Federal Elections has yet to reach a resolution -- and may well not go in our favor -- I much catch up to speed with my rival, Napoleon, who has built an enviable transition operation.  in preparation for the possibility of a victory in the Court, I am starting this thread as a Ground Zero for Year Zeroô*, with full knowledge of the possibility events may prove it null and void.



the following is the prospective flag of the renamed People's Tweedist Republic of Atlasia.  suggestions and alternative proposals welcome.



I feel it gives proper reverence both to Marxism-Leninism in the left-hand corner, anarcho-syndicalism red/black, and Tweedism with the T.

further announcements coming.




*ô standing in this case for 'Tweed Mark'.
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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2012, 11:48:51 am »
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I'm proud to announce that former President Lief is going to be heading up the Ministry of Information, which will replace the office of Secretary of Internal Affairs.  Lief is the second ex-president in recent days to lend his hand to my cause, and I am eternally grateful.  more on the role and responsibilities of the Ministry will be revealed post-Court decision, when I will hopefully be able to release in earnest my plan for a transition to an M-L-T government.
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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2012, 12:14:48 pm »
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I am honored by this nomination, Mr. President-Elect, and humbly accept.
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2012, 03:09:02 pm »
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I am honored by this nomination, Mr. President-Elect, and humbly accept.

The president-elect is Napoleon. If Tweed is made president, it will be through the Supreme Court. If you must, refer to him as President-Appointee.
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There is a lot of humor to be mined from this as the mind of LBJ in the body of an 18 month old baby girl is quite hilarious.

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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2012, 03:13:18 pm »
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Oh man, this is gonna be juicy! (Assuming that it leads to the civil war I've been waiting for)

As a representative of President-Elect Napoleon and as a member of his foreign policy team, these actions are looked down upon with dis-favor. Napoleon is the President-Elect, and the people have spoken. You should be ashamed of yourselves for attempting to replace it with a shadow government, unelected by the people of Atlasia. May Dave smile down upon our system the day this is put to an end.
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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2012, 03:22:44 pm »
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Hey now, if Nappy has the right to say he's going to do this and appoint that and go on a yacht and whatnot, there's no reason y'all should be "looking down upon with dis-favor" on Tweed attempting to match that. Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves for attacking his statements on what he would do if the Supremes rule his way.
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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2012, 03:32:25 pm »
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Hey now, if Nappy has the right to say he's going to do this and appoint that and go on a yacht and whatnot, there's no reason y'all should be "looking down upon with dis-favor" on Tweed attempting to match that. Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves for attacking his statements on what he would do if the Supremes rule his way.

His office will still be illegitimate. I don't care if Tweed saves the world his first day in office; he wasn't elected. It's as simple as that
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There is a lot of humor to be mined from this as the mind of LBJ in the body of an 18 month old baby girl is quite hilarious.

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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2012, 03:39:40 pm »
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Hey now, if Nappy has the right to say he's going to do this and appoint that and go on a yacht and whatnot, there's no reason y'all should be "looking down upon with dis-favor" on Tweed attempting to match that. Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves for attacking his statements on what he would do if the Supremes rule his way.

His office will still be illegitimate. I don't care if Tweed saves the world his first day in office; he wasn't elected. It's as simple as that

If the Court rules that Tweed is the legitimate victor then he is the legitimate victor, simple as that. It is emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department to say what the law is. If they say that the law is that Tweed is legitimate, then like it or not, that's what the law is. You may not like it, I may not like it, but it's the way it shall be. It's as simple as that.
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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2012, 03:42:26 pm »
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Hey now, if Nappy has the right to say he's going to do this and appoint that and go on a yacht and whatnot, there's no reason y'all should be "looking down upon with dis-favor" on Tweed attempting to match that. Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves for attacking his statements on what he would do if the Supremes rule his way.

His office will still be illegitimate. I don't care if Tweed saves the world his first day in office; he wasn't elected. It's as simple as that

If the Court rules that Tweed is the legitimate victor then he is the legitimate victor, simple as that. It is emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department to say what the law is. If they say that the law is that Tweed is legitimate, then like it or not, that's what the law is. You may not like it, I may not like it, but it's the way it shall be. It's as simple as that.

This is a democracy, Mr. Joyce. If the Supreme Court overthrows a government chosen by the clear will of the people and installs a fringe lunatic, then the Supreme Court needs a good shaking. Tweed's lawsuit is in defiance of the people of Atlasia, and I will not stand for it!
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There is a lot of humor to be mined from this as the mind of LBJ in the body of an 18 month old baby girl is quite hilarious.

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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2012, 03:43:16 pm »
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Hey now, if Nappy has the right to say he's going to do this and appoint that and go on a yacht and whatnot, there's no reason y'all should be "looking down upon with dis-favor" on Tweed attempting to match that. Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves for attacking his statements on what he would do if the Supremes rule his way.

His office will still be illegitimate. I don't care if Tweed saves the world his first day in office; he wasn't elected. It's as simple as that

If the Court rules that Tweed is the legitimate victor then he is the legitimate victor, simple as that. It is emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department to say what the law is. If they say that the law is that Tweed is legitimate, then like it or not, that's what the law is. You may not like it, I may not like it, but it's the way it shall be. It's as simple as that.

Nice to see some people around here still believe in Democracy and the rule of law. SoEA SJoyceFla and myself may have large differences in outlook and political ideology, but we both respect the foundation of this republic, as we should.
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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2012, 03:50:16 pm »
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Hey now, if Nappy has the right to say he's going to do this and appoint that and go on a yacht and whatnot, there's no reason y'all should be "looking down upon with dis-favor" on Tweed attempting to match that. Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves for attacking his statements on what he would do if the Supremes rule his way.

His office will still be illegitimate. I don't care if Tweed saves the world his first day in office; he wasn't elected. It's as simple as that

If the Court rules that Tweed is the legitimate victor then he is the legitimate victor, simple as that. It is emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department to say what the law is. If they say that the law is that Tweed is legitimate, then like it or not, that's what the law is. You may not like it, I may not like it, but it's the way it shall be. It's as simple as that.

This is a democracy, Mr. Joyce. If the Supreme Court overthrows a government chosen by the clear will of the people and installs a fringe lunatic, then the Supreme Court needs a good shaking. Tweed's lawsuit is in defiance of the people of Atlasia, and I will not stand for it!

So you're going to be all "Justice Ebowed has made his decision; now let him enforce it!"? I am of the understanding that the Supreme Court does not want to be shaken. Will of the people or no, the Supreme Court is the highest court in the land and has ultimate appellate jurisdiction. What do you plan to do if they rule as they voted?

Also, Tweedism needs a better logo than just a T, especially when it's a hammer & sickle (a fairly complex drawing) in the other corner. Maybe like an arrow or something, but writing on flags just doesn't really look good.
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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2012, 04:16:40 pm »
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I haven't read everything. Why, again, is there a situation in which the court could rule Tweed the victor of the election?
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I haven't read everything. Why, again, is there a situation in which the court could rule Tweed the victor of the election?
Quote from: Tweed
There is no constructive point.  but it's fun.

the implications we can draw from this simple quote are so expansive, the nature of the pithy words so profound, that I fear I could go on forever.  in order to proceed I will have to divide the quote into two, its two constituent sentences.  first, "There is no constructive point."  this strikes right at the heart of the destructive-alienating Zeitgeist that afflicts the life-world of post-modern capitalism.  activities are only seen as 'worth doing' if there is a 'point'.  in fact allow me to break the third wall with an anecdote.  in my Anthropology of Sport class we were confronted with this strange question.  "is surfing religion?"  I thought for a bit and responded.  I stated, and I paraphrase, "it seems anytime that we are confronted with the force of human passion, that cannot be explained away with the language and tired formulae vis-a-vis the accumulation of commodities, we don't quite know what to make of it.  especially amongst the political class, libido tied in knots, printing six figure salaries a year, taking our unbankruptable student debt in hand just to make it there -- and meanwhile, right under our noses, on some idyllic shore near San Diego, sits stoner Jim, who has surfed every day for 30 years.  and he has no money but he's happier than we are... and we don't know what to say!  we can't reconcile it with our world!  so we need to reach for the language of the other-worldly, call it religion, call it spiritual, call it anything but grounded in the Real, because if empirically grounded, it would turn our philosophy of life square on its head."

if we take note of Napoleon's utter failure to address these issues, the certification of aforementioned Napoleon is clearly in violation of Article 1, Section 5, Clause 30, which requires the Republic act to protect the interests of those in employment, in order to safeguard the Public Health.  it is likely that Napoleon knows absolutely nothing of labor history, absolutely nothing of Marx nor even Gompers or Jimmy Hoffa (besides perhaps, where he is buried)...  meanwhile Young Tweed, in his 'real life', has earned a Bachelor of Science Degree at the Cornell University School of Industrial and Labor Relations -- the finest such programme in the World. at the very least, he has not found it necessary to speak on any of these defining matters while accumulating posts by the thousands here at uselectionatlas.org. 

to connect this point to the game, return to Miamiu1027 285:27 in its entirety: "There is no constructive point.  but it's fun." Napoleon simply lacks the degree of consciousness necessary to even comprehend the possibility of something being for fun, rather than for business, for profit, or, if he is religiously oriented -- some Higher purpose.  this is no particular fault of his own.  he's been pounded with advertisements since he was a small child, and bourgeois ideology has this habit of seeping into everyone's brains.  he views the Republic as a machine necessary to accomplish things -- for the creation of surplus-value, if we are to the logical end - and not a place for recreation.  as such, the certification of Napoleon as victor of the 06/12 election is in clear violation of the quote taken from Miamiu1027 285:27, the John 3:16 of Atlasia, which is inseparable from any reasoned conception of the General Welfare of the Republic.

Because Nappy lacks consciousness enough to comprehend something being fun due to advertisements, or some such thing. I don't really see how the Supremes could rule in favor of it,
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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2012, 04:42:55 pm »
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It's like if Thomas Paine ran for president and lost, but sued based on the fact that he was the father of the American Revolution.
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There is a lot of humor to be mined from this as the mind of LBJ in the body of an 18 month old baby girl is quite hilarious.

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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2012, 04:57:42 pm »
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I still have a sneaking suspision that Tweed is our President.. and I'm prepared and excited for that possibility.
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My parents are pretty good about smelling a rat. 
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« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2012, 05:04:40 pm »
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So you're going to be all "Justice Ebowed has made his decision; now let him enforce it!"? I am of the understanding that the Supreme Court does not want to be shaken. Will of the people or no, the Supreme Court is the highest court in the land and has ultimate appellate jurisdiction. What do you plan to do if they rule as they voted?

The most significant problem with a pro-Tweed verdict, as far as I'm concerned, is that the interpretation of the Constitution involved in the decision would essentially establish that the Supreme Court can overrule the results of any federal election at any time for any reason and install whomever they prefer.

Not much of a republic left to keep at that point, no?
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« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2012, 08:43:48 pm »
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I would like to make my second announcement.  belgiansocialist is prepared to serve as Chieftain of Law (which will replace the Attorney General) in the event of my victory of the Supreme Court.  his knowledge and perspective on the law of the Republic is unparalleled, and makes him well-positioned to manage the transition to a People's Tweedist Republic.
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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2012, 12:48:55 am »
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Also I suggest incorporation of this image in your flag:


Maybe holding the hammer and sickle?
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« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2012, 09:52:35 am »
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Also I suggest incorporation of this image in your flag:


Maybe holding the hammer and sickle?

Mr. Senator, are you declaring that you are a Tweedist? I may have to disapprove of you in the next poll...
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There is a lot of humor to be mined from this as the mind of LBJ in the body of an 18 month old baby girl is quite hilarious.

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« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2012, 10:02:44 am »
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Also I suggest incorporation of this image in your flag:


Maybe holding the hammer and sickle?

Mr. Senator, are you declaring that you are a Tweedist? I may have to disapprove of you in the next poll...

I'm pretty sure he's just offering suggestions on graphic design.
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« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2012, 10:05:25 am »
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Also I suggest incorporation of this image in your flag:


Maybe holding the hammer and sickle?

Mr. Senator, are you declaring that you are a Tweedist? I may have to disapprove of you in the next poll...

I'm pretty sure he's just offering suggestions on graphic design.

Fraternizing with the enemy!!!1!one!!

But that star thing is cool.
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Also I suggest incorporation of this image in your flag:


Maybe holding the hammer and sickle?

Mr. Senator, are you declaring that you are a Tweedist? I may have to disapprove of you in the next poll...

I'm pretty sure he's just offering suggestions on graphic design.

Fraternizing with the enemy!!!1!one!!

But that star thing is cool.

Nonsense! Well-done graphic design is a concern of all Atlasian citizens.
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« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2012, 12:48:04 pm »
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I would like to make my second announcement.  belgiansocialist is prepared to serve as Chieftain of Law (which will replace the Attorney General) in the event of my victory of the Supreme Court.  his knowledge and perspective on the law of the Republic is unparalleled, and makes him well-positioned to manage the transition to a People's Tweedist Republic.

I am, of course, more than ready to use what little resources (intellectual and otherwise) I may possess for the greater good of this Republic.
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