What percentage of zionists are racist/fascist/bigoted?
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« on: June 27, 2012, 11:38:29 PM »

In my (admittedly narrow experience), four out of five zionists tend to be quasi-fascist bigots.  There are some non-bigoted zionists, of course, but it seems like bigoted zionists are at least a sizable minority.
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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2012, 11:45:34 PM »

When you think about it... the fact that calling some one a fascist is such an insult is a testament to the values of our nation. However- it sure does get annoying...

To answer your question- the same percentage as any other ideological group
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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2012, 04:31:14 AM »

I don't know, but it's certainly a lower percentage than anti-Zionists.
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2012, 04:53:05 AM »

I don't know, but it's certainly a lower percentage than anti-Zionists.

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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2012, 07:46:54 AM »
« Edited: June 28, 2012, 01:52:16 PM by SoEA SJoyceFla »

A sizable minority, but nowhere near a majority. Enough to make their voices heard, but not enough to represent Zionists as a whole at all. Probably somewhere near Shua's figure.
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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2012, 11:27:49 AM »


people have a tendency of seeing people they disagree with as being racists/fascists/bigots. Since I assume your an anti-Zionist it makes sense for you to see Zionists as in that way.
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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2012, 01:43:58 PM »

7.32%
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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2012, 03:57:18 PM »

Hmm... those who advocate pushing Palestinians off their land to make way for Israeli housing are certainly bigoted.
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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2012, 05:52:42 PM »

Zionism is inherently an at least somewhat racist ideology, as all racially-based nationalist ideologies are.
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2012, 06:51:48 PM »

Zionism is inherently an at least somewhat racist ideology, as all racially-based nationalist ideologies are.
First of all, Jews are most certainly not a race. Secondly, you realize zionism is just supporting the existence of a Jewish state. If Israel being a Jewish state is wrong, how about the 25 countries with Islam as their official religion? The 6 countries with Buddhism as their official religion? And the 11 countries with Christianity as their official religion?
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2012, 07:14:10 PM »

Zionism is inherently an at least somewhat racist ideology, as all racially-based nationalist ideologies are.
First of all, Jews are most certainly not a race. Secondly, you realize zionism is just supporting the existence of a Jewish state. If Israel being a Jewish state is wrong, how about the 25 countries with Islam as their official religion? The 6 countries with Buddhism as their official religion? And the 11 countries with Christianity as their official religion?

1.Presumably, being a secularist, Lief would want those to not have an official religion as well.

2.Zionism (or zionism in as far as it has a meaning today) isn't supporting the existence of a Jewish State, but rather the existence of the Jewish State of Israel.

3.I don't see why judaism shouldn't count as an ethnicity or rather I can't see how you can consider 'African-American' to be an ethnicity and 'Jewish' as not constituting one.
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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2012, 08:13:32 PM »

I think than the use of the word zionist is biased and bigoted, since that's refer to the Protocol of the Sages of Zion, which is a invention of the early 20th century to boost antisemitism.

Just the use of zionist means something, and it is not pretty.
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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2012, 08:50:36 PM »

I think than the use of the word zionist is biased and bigoted, since that's refer to the Protocol of the Sages of Zion, which is a invention of the early 20th century to boost antisemitism.

Just the use of zionist means something, and it is not pretty.
The First Zionist Congress called themselves that in 1897, six years before the Protocol's publication.

Zion is a poetic name for Jerusalem in the Bible, after the hill the city is on.
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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2012, 09:47:35 PM »

I think than the use of the word zionist is biased and bigoted, since that's refer to the Protocol of the Sages of Zion, which is a invention of the early 20th century to boost antisemitism.

Just the use of zionist means something, and it is not pretty.
The First Zionist Congress called themselves that in 1897, six years before the Protocol's publication.

Zion is a poetic name for Jerusalem in the Bible, after the hill the city is on.

Interesting. In French, as soon you hear the word zionist, you know that will be a rant about "the evil jews which rule the world". You also know it's the time to flee to not hear it.
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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2012, 11:17:44 PM »

2.Zionism (or zionism in as far as it has a meaning today) isn't supporting the existence of a Jewish State, but rather the existence of the Jewish State of Israel.
So it would be ok if there were 2 or more Jewish states, but just one, well that's racist!  Makes sense. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2012, 11:33:40 PM »

2.Zionism (or zionism in as far as it has a meaning today) isn't supporting the existence of a Jewish State, but rather the existence of the Jewish State of Israel.
So it would be ok if there were 2 or more Jewish states, but just one, well that's racist!  Makes sense. Roll Eyes

I think he mean than the important isn't the existance of a Jewish state, but a Jewish state on the Israel/Palestine lands.
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« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2012, 12:17:32 AM »

I suppose that's a very slightly better argument, but still stupid because the Jewish state does exist on the east coast of the Mediterranean and wanting to "correct" that "problem" is pointless at best, racist and dangerous at worst.
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« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2012, 12:34:05 AM »

I suppose that's a very slightly better argument, but still stupid because the Jewish state does exist on the east coast of the Mediterranean and wanting to "correct" that "problem" is pointless at best, racist and dangerous at worst.

I'd would think that Belgian is actually saying that the Jewish state of Israel has strong flaws and rights violations as constituted.
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« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2012, 12:53:23 AM »

I suppose that's a very slightly better argument, but still stupid because the Jewish state does exist on the east coast of the Mediterranean and wanting to "correct" that "problem" is pointless at best, racist and dangerous at worst.

Oh, I agree, but, with hindsight, perhaps creating them a state there wasn't a good idea.
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« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2012, 01:06:05 AM »

Certainly better (at least for them) than the majority of alternate suggestions the anti-Zionists usually bring up.
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« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2012, 05:11:07 AM »

I suspect that the percentage of bigoted anti-zionists is much higher than the percentage of bigoted zionists. This is coming from an anti-zionist who hates modern Israel and what it stands for.
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