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« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2012, 09:10:29 am »
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The Guardian is reporting that the individual mandate has been struck down.
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« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2012, 09:11:17 am »
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WTF is going on there ?
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« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2012, 09:11:38 am »
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If this sh**t is 6-3 for the mandate, Republicans are going to be pissed.
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« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2012, 09:11:44 am »
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SCOTUS liveblog seems to think it survives as a tax.
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« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2012, 09:12:15 am »
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Mandate unconstitutional under commerce clause, but it is a tax.
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« Reply #30 on: June 28, 2012, 09:12:34 am »
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Quote from: clarence on June 28, 2012, 12:14:59 am
I don't see how the bill being thrown out would lead to anything other then a freefall in Obama's approvals... his signature achievement thrown out would be the theme kicking off every nightly news across America

Well, two points (1) it would be rightly seen as the fault of the Supreme Court. Even those who oppose the law admit that it being thrown out was highly unlikely in early 2010. No one could have been expected to foresee such activism.

I saw it.  I predicted in 2009 that the Democrats only chance of holding Congress in 2010 was failing to pass their healthcare reform.  It was easy to see in the Summer of 2009 that the electorate would explode in outrage -- remember the "Read the Bill!" chants at the Congressmen's meetings? -- if it passed.  The fact that Pelosi and Reid had to resort to bribes in the Senate and parlimentary tricks in the House to get it passed only made things worse.

And lots of people thought it was unconstitutional in 2010.  That's why 20-odd states attorneys general launched challenges to it that year.


 
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(2), Obama's approvals aren't based on "his signature achievement." They're based on the fact that he's a Democrat, the state of the economy, and his personal character. Obamacare being thrown out wouldn't lead his support to collapse. Only if he betrayed his party in some fundamental way (nearly impossible), the economy crashed into a depression, or a Edwards/Nixon-style personal scandal would do that. But yeah the negative news coverage would probably hurt his ratings.

I largely agree with this.  But what about the revolt of white Democrats -- 14 top white Democrats (so far) have announced they won't be seen with Obama in Charlotte.  (Also, why are they giving Obama only a three-day convention when every white Democratic nominee has gotten a four-day one?)
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« Reply #31 on: June 28, 2012, 09:14:12 am »
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I'm sure everyone cares about the federal government's ability to terminate state's Medicaid funds. That surely will get the juices flowing.
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« Reply #32 on: June 28, 2012, 09:14:40 am »
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It looks like the WHOLE thing has been upheld, only some Medicare provision has been modified.
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« Reply #33 on: June 28, 2012, 09:15:40 am »
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ScotusBlog: Mandate upheld
CNN: Mandate struck down
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« Reply #34 on: June 28, 2012, 09:16:17 am »
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« Reply #35 on: June 28, 2012, 09:16:42 am »
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CNN jumped the gun because the court found the mandate doesn't stand up under the Commerce Clause, which was what the main argument was. They upheld it under taxing power.
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« Reply #36 on: June 28, 2012, 09:16:57 am »
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OBAMACARE WINS!

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« Reply #37 on: June 28, 2012, 09:18:00 am »
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Nope America wins!
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« Reply #38 on: June 28, 2012, 09:18:15 am »
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A massive tax increase is not good news for Obama, short term.

It would have been worse for him if the act was found unconstitutional.
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« Reply #39 on: June 28, 2012, 09:18:44 am »
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The Guardian is now reporting that the ACA has been upheld thanks to Chief Justice Roberts siding with the court liberals. Kennedy voted for repeal apparently.
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« Reply #40 on: June 28, 2012, 09:19:59 am »
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The Guardian is now reporting that the ACA has been upheld thanks to Chief Justice Roberts siding with the court liberals. Kennedy voted for repeal apparently.

Definitely wasn't expecting that.
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« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2012, 09:22:40 am »
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« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2012, 09:23:28 am »
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Wait, it was 5-4 after all, and faux moderate Kennedy voted against?  I guess they felt like having a non-typical 5-4 split.
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« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2012, 09:23:47 am »
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Just goes to show you can't expect the court to fight Congress's battles for it.
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Wait, it was 5-4 after all, and faux moderate Kennedy voted against?

No, Roberts voted to uphold it.
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« Reply #46 on: June 28, 2012, 09:24:54 am »
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Wait, it was 5-4 after all, and faux moderate Kennedy voted against?

No, Roberts voted to uphold it.

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« Reply #47 on: June 28, 2012, 09:25:25 am »
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Wait, it was 5-4 after all, and faux moderate Kennedy voted against?

No, Roberts voted to uphold it.

Yes, Roberts voted for it. Kennedy is in the minority for once.
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« Reply #48 on: June 28, 2012, 09:26:27 am »
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Oh man is Roberts actually turning around into a Souter?
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« Reply #49 on: June 28, 2012, 09:29:04 am »
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Oh man is Roberts actually turning around into a Souter?

We like the mandate now?
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