Mitt Romney contradicts himself for the 9001st time. Says mandate is a tax.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Lol... Romney is getting around this on a technicality.

Regardless of whether they operate in an identical fashion... which they do, Massachusetts has the power to put a levy or penalty or fine in place, the SCOTUS decided that the Federal Government only had the right to impose the penalty under the taxation power in the Constitution... so what Romney did was a penalty, because he had statehood cover to do so, Obama's is a tax, because it's provided for through the tax code... even though it's actually penality, somewhat similar to interest payment or a late-tax fine... neither are a tax, but a penalty issued through the tax code.

The willful ignorance here is truly breathtaking... they're the same thing, but operating from a different Constitutional position. They're both penalties and neither is a tax...

Ferhnstrom is going to have a hard time, after this and the etch-a-sketch comment, all of this honesty is going to be his undoing.

[The Mikado]

Did...OP really make an "over 9000" joke?  In 2012?  Seriously?

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John Kerry is going to have to out of his way to be extra flip-floppy when he has those practice debates with Obama.

[milhouse24]

It's very obvious that milhous doesn't really understand how PPACA works, and that he is uninterested in learning, so it's better to just not respond to his posts...

You obviously don't understand that the ACA tax will affect those Americans who don't have full time jobs.  Rich liberals just don't understand main street americans.

Last time:  The tax will only be levied on people who can afford health insurance but selfishly choose not to in order to game the system.  People making under 400% of the poverty line will get subsidies to make sure they can afford health insurance, as will small businesses.  Bottom line is if you have to pay the tax, it's a fine for being an ass.

You call the "working poor" selfish for not paying for things they dont want?  Its selfish to not want to subsidize private companies. 

You liberals don't seem to understand how businesses work.  A doctor or a hospital will charge you per items of service they provide you.  You either pay with a insurance co-pay or you can pay out-of-pocket with cash.  Many hospitals even offer payment plans! 

I know this may surprise you, but it is some times cheaper to not pay the expensive monthly premiums.  If you are so generous, then take out a life insurance policy that names the government the beneficiary. 

If you don't pay your hospital bills, then the credit agency comes after you.  Or you can retro-actively apply for Medicaid. 

Now, if the government doesn't approve you for Medicaid, then will you blame the government for killing the working poor. 

Just admit it, this is a health care tax on small businesses.  Small businesses will be mandated by the government to pay subsidies to HMOs. 

You're aware (since I mentioned it upthread) that the CBO estimates that the mandate penalty on businesses will raise about $10 billion a year in revenue once it's fully in effect by 2018, and that that amounts to about one-twentieth of one percent of the amount of revenue the federal government will be collecting by then. Given the apocalyptic vision of the future that you offer, where women won't be able to divorce their husbands, because they'd lose the health insurance (which they dread having, because health insurance is a waste of money), I have to think that you believe the CBO to be wrong in its estimates. Perhaps you could share your own estimates with us?

Wow, you are a big government liberal.  After all, why would a local business care about an extra $10,000 per year he has to pay the governtment/HMO tax.  In a liberal utopia, there would be no such thing as small businesses.  In a liberal utopia, we would all be union members working for big corporations or for the government. 

Seriously, how can you say its not a tax, its only a forced payment (is that extortion) by local business to pay to HMO's in a form of tax/penalty/premiums? 

Its just a couple thousand dollars in extra taxes, no big deal!!! 

Liberals just want to live in a world where money does not exist, we just trade and barter based on feelings of guilt and charity. 

Gee, if those business taxes are no big deal, then why should small businesses even pay them in the first place?  Just make individual taxpayers pay them, or have the government take a short term loan?  Heck, its so little money, that HMO's shouldn't even collect it. 

[Averroës Nix]

Liberals just want to live in a world where money does not exist, we just trade and barter based on feelings of guilt and charity. 

A true conservative would understand that there is no purer market than a barter-market.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

It's very obvious that milhous doesn't really understand how PPACA works, and that he is uninterested in learning, so it's better to just not respond to his posts...

You obviously don't understand that the ACA tax will affect those Americans who don't have full time jobs.  Rich liberals just don't understand main street americans.

Last time:  The tax will only be levied on people who can afford health insurance but selfishly choose not to in order to game the system.  People making under 400% of the poverty line will get subsidies to make sure they can afford health insurance, as will small businesses.  Bottom line is if you have to pay the tax, it's a fine for being an ass.

You call the "working poor" selfish for not paying for things they dont want?  Its selfish to not want to subsidize private companies. 

You liberals don't seem to understand how businesses work.  A doctor or a hospital will charge you per items of service they provide you.  You either pay with a insurance co-pay or you can pay out-of-pocket with cash.  Many hospitals even offer payment plans! 

I know this may surprise you, but it is some times cheaper to not pay the expensive monthly premiums.  If you are so generous, then take out a life insurance policy that names the government the beneficiary. 

If you don't pay your hospital bills, then the credit agency comes after you.  Or you can retro-actively apply for Medicaid. 

Now, if the government doesn't approve you for Medicaid, then will you blame the government for killing the working poor. 

Just admit it, this is a health care tax on small businesses.  Small businesses will be mandated by the government to pay subsidies to HMOs. 

You're aware (since I mentioned it upthread) that the CBO estimates that the mandate penalty on businesses will raise about $10 billion a year in revenue once it's fully in effect by 2018, and that that amounts to about one-twentieth of one percent of the amount of revenue the federal government will be collecting by then. Given the apocalyptic vision of the future that you offer, where women won't be able to divorce their husbands, because they'd lose the health insurance (which they dread having, because health insurance is a waste of money), I have to think that you believe the CBO to be wrong in its estimates. Perhaps you could share your own estimates with us?

Wow, you are a big government liberal.  After all, why would a local business care about an extra $10,000 per year he has to pay the governtment/HMO tax.  In a liberal utopia, there would be no such thing as small businesses.  In a liberal utopia, we would all be union members working for big corporations or for the government. 

Seriously, how can you say its not a tax, its only a forced payment (is that extortion) by local business to pay to HMO's in a form of tax/penalty/premiums? 

Its just a couple thousand dollars in extra taxes, no big deal!!! 

Liberals just want to live in a world where money does not exist, we just trade and barter based on feelings of guilt and charity. 

Gee, if those business taxes are no big deal, then why should small businesses even pay them in the first place?  Just make individual taxpayers pay them, or have the government take a short term loan?  Heck, its so little money, that HMO's shouldn't even collect it. 

You really have severe problems don't you?

[WhyteRain]

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/07/04/now_romney_says_mandate_is_a_tax.html

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It's going to be collected by the IRS.

The United States Supreme Court ruled that it's a "tax".  Did you want Romney to contradict the holding of the Supreme Court?