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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
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« on: July 10, 2012, 10:59:54 PM »

So basically Tweed wants to be a Christian but thinks the entire doctrine falls apart if the story of The Fall in Genesis is not literal, and can't accept it so he can't be a Christian. That's how I'm reading this thread.
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
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Posts: 113,043
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2012, 12:19:58 AM »

If I knew Tweed in real life, I wonder if I'd be on the verge of converting him.
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
Atlas Prophet
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Posts: 113,043
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2012, 12:38:33 AM »

oakvale pointed out in IRC just tonight how much I should dislike Christopher Hitchens, and he's quite accurate. Though I'll give him credit for the Henry Kissinger thing.
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
Atlas Prophet
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Posts: 113,043
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2012, 12:40:19 AM »

The salvation provided by Jesus doesn't depend on the doctrine of Original Sin. At least, not in the traditional sense. What it depends on is the existence of sin, and the need for salvation from it.  We need Jesus because we are not capable of saving ourselves. That incapability of saving ourselves from sin need not come from some ancestral inheritance - except in the sense of our nature as finite creatures.
There have been many Christians who do not subscribe to the doctrine of Original Sin, even including some evangelicals.

The Restoration Movement is a notable example.
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