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Senator Kalwejt
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My fellow foreign posters
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July 15, 2012, 12:27:19 pm »
Those to whom English is not native language, that is.
I wonder, what is your biggest problem (if you have any) with English? For me, probably articles. Polish totally lack articles.
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Californian Tony
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Re: My fellow foreign posters
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July 15, 2012, 12:32:28 pm »
Honestly, I don't think I've got any problem with written English at this point. I lack vocabulary on select topics, but that's about all.
My main problem is oral English : in particular, understanding other people talking normally. That's probably the ability I've had less occasion practicing.
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"A good portion of this country has created an alternate universe. I call this place were these folks live Bullsh*t Mountain. The denizens of Bullsh*t Mountain believe many things: they believe that a Kenyan Muslim President has fundamentally changed the relationship between government and the people of this country."
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July 15, 2012, 12:35:58 pm »
Idiomatic expressions and, to a lesser extent, the use of prepositions can be difficult at times. The English tense (better:
aspect
) system is also tricky. Since my mother tongue is rather primitive in that respect and hardly distinguishes between expressions such as
I eat
and
I am eating
and only has one grammatical way to talk about events in the past, it is sometimes difficult to figure out whether I need to use the
present simple
or the
present continuous
or the
past simple
or the
present perfect
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Tender Branson
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Re: My fellow foreign posters
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July 16, 2012, 12:28:17 am »
Understanding the Scottish.
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July 16, 2012, 05:56:12 am »
Quote from: Tender Branson on July 16, 2012, 12:28:17 am
Understanding the Scottish.
That's the biggest problem.
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Re: My fellow foreign posters
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July 16, 2012, 07:29:34 am »
"Those to whom English is not native language . . . ."
Those to whom English is not
a
native language.
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Senator Kalwejt
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July 16, 2012, 07:30:12 am »
Quote from: Win32 on July 16, 2012, 07:29:34 am
"Those to whom English is not native language . . . ."
Those to whom English is not
a
native language.
Damn articles.
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Re: My fellow foreign posters
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July 16, 2012, 04:02:06 pm »
I'd hoped that thost1 would respond to this thread.
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Re: My fellow foreign posters
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July 16, 2012, 04:28:49 pm »
Even though I've kinda transformed into a near-native speaker since I'm studied and lived my 'social' life in English since I'm five years old (and on the census I'd probably have put 'English and French' as my mother tongues, rather than just French), I'd probably say my difficulties with English include my horrible accent, my consistent inability to pronounce sounds we don't have in French (th, vocal h) and my occasional tendency (like all compatriots) to use Gallicisms in my spoken English.
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20:12 oakvale Taylor Swift's 22 was originally titled 75 in reference to her ex Flanby's proposed tax rate
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20:49 Snowstalker yes, but i'm the kind of fascist who would have backed the allies
20:57 Snowstalker sadly, it's a legitimate ideology tarnished by the incompetent mussolini and the vile hitler
Senator MaxQue
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Re: My fellow foreign posters
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July 16, 2012, 08:20:52 pm »
Well, Hashemite said it all.
I filled "French and English" on the Census and my problem is my Quebec accent, wierd English sounds and syntax too much based on the French one.
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July 16, 2012, 09:50:26 pm »
I actually don't mind the Quebec accent. There's something that's just so quintessentially Canadian about it (I'm sure a fair few Quebeckers would hate me for saying that though!).
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Californian Tony
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July 17, 2012, 04:07:08 am »
I don't know how it sounds in English, but Québecois accent in French is awesome.
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July 17, 2012, 04:08:55 am »
Certainly there are few things better than people with Québecois accents swearing.
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Re: My fellow foreign posters
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July 17, 2012, 05:37:27 am »
Quote from: Antonio V on July 17, 2012, 04:07:08 am
I don't know how it sounds in English, but Québecois accent in French is awesome.
Wow, most French people from France usually look down on it/us and say that we talk like uncivilized baboons who don't speak real French (which means they clearly haven't heard the Franco-Ontarian accent or, gasp, the Acadian Chiac accent). Thanks for this welcome appreciation
And Al is right, swearing in Québecois is generally awesome. Or even just being angry.
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20:12 oakvale Taylor Swift's 22 was originally titled 75 in reference to her ex Flanby's proposed tax rate
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20:49 Snowstalker yes, but i'm the kind of fascist who would have backed the allies
20:57 Snowstalker sadly, it's a legitimate ideology tarnished by the incompetent mussolini and the vile hitler
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Re: My fellow foreign posters
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July 17, 2012, 06:16:33 am »
From a forum perspective, I guess the spelling of certain words. When to write words together and when to separate them and when to use dashes is one area of confusion. Another is British and American spelling, which I sometimes get mixed up.
In spoken English I have a bit of a Swedish accent, but I think I generally have rather decent pronunciation.
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Californian Tony
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Re: My fellow foreign posters
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July 17, 2012, 06:46:43 am »
Quote from: Sharif Hashemite on July 17, 2012, 05:37:27 am
Quote from: Antonio V on July 17, 2012, 04:07:08 am
I don't know how it sounds in English, but Québecois accent in French is awesome.
Wow, most French people from France usually look down on it/us and say that we talk like uncivilized baboons who don't speak real French (which means they clearly haven't heard the Franco-Ontarian accent or, gasp, the Acadian Chiac accent). Thanks for this welcome appreciation
Really, that's what most French people think ? It sounds a bit funny and weird when you are used to the french accent, but yes, I like it. I tend to like original/colorful accents and dialects in general. Maybe that's part of my Italianhood.
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"A good portion of this country has created an alternate universe. I call this place were these folks live Bullsh*t Mountain. The denizens of Bullsh*t Mountain believe many things: they believe that a Kenyan Muslim President has fundamentally changed the relationship between government and the people of this country."
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Re: My fellow foreign posters
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July 17, 2012, 09:13:11 am »
Quote from: Antonio V on July 17, 2012, 06:46:43 am
Quote from: Sharif Hashemite on July 17, 2012, 05:37:27 am
Quote from: Antonio V on July 17, 2012, 04:07:08 am
I don't know how it sounds in English, but Québecois accent in French is awesome.
Wow, most French people from France usually look down on it/us and say that we talk like uncivilized baboons who don't speak real French (which means they clearly haven't heard the Franco-Ontarian accent or, gasp, the Acadian Chiac accent). Thanks for this welcome appreciation
Really, that's what most French people think ? It sounds a bit funny and weird when you are used to the french accent, but yes, I like it. I tend to like original/colorful accents and dialects in general. Maybe that's part of my Italianhood.
Not all (and perhaps not 'most') French people, but I have experience with a fairly significant sample of French people who are, shockingly, arrogant stuck-up imperialist morons who look down on practically every other Francophone country which isn't France/Paris. I had a principal at the Lycée Français in Riyadh tell us that education in Quebec sucked because they didn't teach proper French, and I've certainly met countless other French people who looked down on you because you had a weird accent.
I much prefer the slightly annoying but otherwise nice and cute type of French people who are enamoured by Quebec, call us their 'cousins' and dream of an idyllic postcard landscape with a small cottage in the distant woods with cute white snow on the ground and with wild animals (which doesn't really exist and hasn't existed since New France, but I digress).
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20:49 Snowstalker yes, but i'm the kind of fascist who would have backed the allies
20:57 Snowstalker sadly, it's a legitimate ideology tarnished by the incompetent mussolini and the vile hitler
Californian Tony
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Re: My fellow foreign posters
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Quote from: Sharif Hashemite on July 17, 2012, 09:13:11 am
Quote from: Antonio V on July 17, 2012, 06:46:43 am
Quote from: Sharif Hashemite on July 17, 2012, 05:37:27 am
Quote from: Antonio V on July 17, 2012, 04:07:08 am
I don't know how it sounds in English, but Québecois accent in French is awesome.
Wow, most French people from France usually look down on it/us and say that we talk like uncivilized baboons who don't speak real French (which means they clearly haven't heard the Franco-Ontarian accent or, gasp, the Acadian Chiac accent). Thanks for this welcome appreciation
Really, that's what most French people think ? It sounds a bit funny and weird when you are used to the french accent, but yes, I like it. I tend to like original/colorful accents and dialects in general. Maybe that's part of my Italianhood.
Not all (and perhaps not 'most') French people, but I have experience with a fairly significant sample of French people who are, shockingly, arrogant stuck-up imperialist morons who look down on practically every other Francophone country which isn't France/Paris. I had a principal at the Lycée Français in Riyadh tell us that education in Quebec sucked because they didn't teach proper French, and I've certainly met countless other French people who looked down on you because you had a weird accent.
I much prefer the slightly annoying but otherwise nice and cute type of French people who are enamoured by Quebec, call us their 'cousins' and dream of an idyllic postcard landscape with a small cottage in the distant woods with cute white snow on the ground and with wild animals (which doesn't really exist and hasn't existed since New France, but I digress).
Yeah, it's true that France is rather good at producing arrogant assholes who think of themselves as the center of universe and the embodiment of perfection. However, I don't think this is really the prevailing view among a majority of French people (hopefully). I don't know how widespread is the naive Québec-loving attitude, but I guess there must be some people like this as well.
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Truer today than it was yesterday.
"A good portion of this country has created an alternate universe. I call this place were these folks live Bullsh*t Mountain. The denizens of Bullsh*t Mountain believe many things: they believe that a Kenyan Muslim President has fundamentally changed the relationship between government and the people of this country."
Jon Stewart
Hashemite
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Re: My fellow foreign posters
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July 17, 2012, 09:47:46 am »
Quote from: Antonio V on July 17, 2012, 09:24:31 am
Quote from: Sharif Hashemite on July 17, 2012, 09:13:11 am
Quote from: Antonio V on July 17, 2012, 06:46:43 am
Quote from: Sharif Hashemite on July 17, 2012, 05:37:27 am
Quote from: Antonio V on July 17, 2012, 04:07:08 am
I don't know how it sounds in English, but Québecois accent in French is awesome.
Wow, most French people from France usually look down on it/us and say that we talk like uncivilized baboons who don't speak real French (which means they clearly haven't heard the Franco-Ontarian accent or, gasp, the Acadian Chiac accent). Thanks for this welcome appreciation
Really, that's what most French people think ? It sounds a bit funny and weird when you are used to the french accent, but yes, I like it. I tend to like original/colorful accents and dialects in general. Maybe that's part of my Italianhood.
Not all (and perhaps not 'most') French people, but I have experience with a fairly significant sample of French people who are, shockingly, arrogant stuck-up imperialist morons who look down on practically every other Francophone country which isn't France/Paris. I had a principal at the Lycée Français in Riyadh tell us that education in Quebec sucked because they didn't teach proper French, and I've certainly met countless other French people who looked down on you because you had a weird accent.
I much prefer the slightly annoying but otherwise nice and cute type of French people who are enamoured by Quebec, call us their 'cousins' and dream of an idyllic postcard landscape with a small cottage in the distant woods with cute white snow on the ground and with wild animals (which doesn't really exist and hasn't existed since New France, but I digress).
Yeah, it's true that France is rather good at producing arrogant assholes who think of themselves as the center of universe and the embodiment of perfection. However, I don't think this is really the prevailing view among a majority of French people (hopefully). I don't know how widespread is the naive Québec-loving attitude, but I guess there must be some people like this as well.
Yeah, I don't think its widespread, but I feel as if there is an underlying sentiment with a lot of people, which is not malignant or particularly arrogant, which looks down on the Quebecois accent. I've come across a few of the naive Quebec-lovers, we knew a family of such types back in Riyadh in 2000 which are ironically going to drop by to visit us in Ottawa next month (they came to Quebec for the first time last winter or something). For me, I find these particular people more amusing because they're a dying breed of bourgeois conservative Chiraquien types who promptly panicked when the ragtag coalition of anarchists, communists, socialists, tree-huggers and soixante-huitards behind Hollande won. Maybe I should hide my Eva Joly and Corinne Narassiguin ballots when they come?!
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20:57 Snowstalker sadly, it's a legitimate ideology tarnished by the incompetent mussolini and the vile hitler
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July 18, 2012, 05:39:30 pm »
As a German I have to acknowledge problems with:
1. aspects
2. aspects
3. aspects
4. "interlaced" relative clauses
5. at times realizing of explicative relative clauses
6. uncountable nouns
7. r-sound. I still can't say
squirrel
or
rural
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Senator Kalwejt
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I don't even want to start about my problems with English pronounciation.
You can ask Franzl
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Holmes
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July 18, 2012, 06:13:42 pm »
Franco-Ontarians clearly have the superior accent, though.
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Insula Dei
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July 21, 2012, 05:36:19 am »
I need a couple of sentences to get rid of the more horrible aspects of my accent when speaking English.
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To be fair, Americans can't say Squirrel either.
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HagridOfTheDeep
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Quote from: Holmes on July 18, 2012, 06:13:42 pm
Franco-Ontarians clearly have the superior accent, though.
Ah, I really need to get to Timmins one day. I'm woefully unversed in the Franco-Ontarian accent.
Also, I'd tend to agree with Hashemite re: the Quebec accent. When I tell people I'm learning French, even folks here in Canada will tell me it's not "real French" because "it's Québécois."
And to that, I say
je m'en fiche!
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