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« on: July 17, 2012, 11:44:15 am »
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Well, they sure are desperate to change the subject.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/romney-backer-wishes-obama-would-learn-how-to-be

In a brutal campaign conference call Tuesday organized by Mitt Romney's campaign, several of the candidate's surrogates went after President Obama with fiery attacks accusing him of socialism, and being un-American.

"I wish this president would learn how to be an American," said former New Hampshire Gov. John Sununu said toward the beginning of the call. Asked later to explain his comment, Sununu said he was referring to Obama's economic philosophy, and apologized for not being clearer.

Sununu also said that by asserting Romney had committed a felony, the Obama campaign was inviting an investigation into its own "Chicago-style" politics. He concluded the call by calling Obama's campaign "clearly and unequivocally liars."

Among the other jabs at Obama were Kyle Koehler, an Ohio tool manufacturer, accusing the president of supporting socialism, and Renee Amoore, a Pennsylvania small business advocate, delivering a passionate diatribe about how her shared race with the president wouldn't win her support.

"Well, I've been black for a long time and he won't get my vote," Amoore said.
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2012, 12:04:31 pm »
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I do think we could start to see Obama's harsh attacks start to backfire. If Romney can spin it as an attack on the American way, they can make Obama look like a sort of foreign entity that doesn't understand America.
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2012, 12:08:25 pm »
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I do think we could start to see Obama's harsh attacks start to backfire. If Romney can spin it as an attack on the American way, they can make Obama look like a sort of foreign entity that doesn't understand America.

Yeah.......good luck with that.
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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2012, 12:09:51 pm »
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We'll see. It's not too far from the truth. But leave it to Romney to screw it up.

You'll notice that Obama's approval ratings have slowly been slipping over the course of the week.
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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2012, 12:17:49 pm »
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I do think we could start to see Obama's harsh attacks start to backfire. If Romney can spin it as an attack on the American way, they can make Obama look like a sort of foreign entity that doesn't understand America.

Of course. Because lying to the SEC and having bank accounts at Cayman Islands is as American as baseball and apple pie.
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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2012, 12:29:38 pm »
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Well you know what they say about handing idiots a rope.
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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2012, 12:34:43 pm »
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I do think we could start to see Obama's harsh attacks start to backfire. If Romney can spin it as an attack on the American way, they can make Obama look like a sort of foreign entity that doesn't understand America.

I'll never understand why some people think that an informed criticism of aspects of our capitalist system is the equivalent of pure attacks on capitalism and America itself. Sure, Romney can spin the attacks as such and they might be effective, but we need to keep things in perspective. If Romney is making millions of dollars and still pays a lower tax rate than people with modest means, or if Bain Capital is responsible for sending thousands upon thousands of jobs offshore, then I don't think anybody has to simply accept that as the way things are. Sure they're not illegal, but that doesn't mean people have to assume that they're right or ethical.
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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2012, 12:48:47 pm »
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Px is just trying so hard, bless him, first with a thread that McCain once thought Palin was a better candidate, and now that Mittens has some intemperate supporters.  At this rate, Mittens should drop out within weeks, if not days. How can he stand this kind of pressure? He is going to decompose into nothing just like the wicked witch of the west in the Wizard of Oz when subjected to water boarding.  Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2012, 12:52:53 pm »
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Px is just trying so hard, bless him, first with a thread that McCain once thought Palin was a better candidate, and now that Mittens has some intemperate supporters.  At this rate, Mittens should drop out with weeks, if not days. How can he stand this kind of pressure? He is going to decompose into nothing just like the wicked witch of the west in the Wizard of Oz when subjected to water boarding.  Smiley

Oh yeah, you don't know how hard it was to make Sununu go out there and tell to the press that Obama is a un-American pot-smoker.
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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2012, 04:20:15 pm »
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I do think we could start to see Obama's harsh attacks start to backfire. If Romney can spin it as an attack on the American way, they can make Obama look like a sort of foreign entity that doesn't understand America.

They backfire if they have no merit. But truth is an absolute defense against libel and slander.

We can all trust that the Obama campaign has people who can do financial analysis. I am sure that they have examined what happens to companies that Bain Capital takes over.  It's fairly easy to see if those who take over drain assets or load a newly-acquire company with horrible debt. 

Nobody can be an executive without leaving a trail of disgruntled ex-subordinates... and some people know what went on.  Most firms offer severance packages to executives who are rewarded for keeping their lips zipped. Such is not usually done with foremen and clerks. Some decide to talk and can show where the skeletons are. 

To be sure there are turnabout specialists who take over a struggling company, fire incompetent executives, sell off unproductive assets (let us say the office in Vail that doubles as a ski lodge because some top executive loves to ski), pare away unproductive activity (if you can't make a profit out of operations in Florida you might as well abandon them), and trim the workforce to make a leaner and more effective (if usually smaller) firm or sell it off to someone who can manage things better. These are necessary for the competent operation of business. 
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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2012, 04:23:40 pm »
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We'll see. It's not too far from the truth. But leave it to Romney to screw it up.

You'll notice that Obama's approval ratings have slowly been slipping over the course of the week.

Obama's approvals have been flat to trending very slightly upward on Gallup for the past few news cycles, and undulating on Rasmussen.
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« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2012, 04:28:53 pm »
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Good for him. This is going to be a nasty campaign and Romney needs to call down the attack dogs on obama and the heavily disliked progressive types who vote for him.
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« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2012, 04:44:40 pm »
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So how is this going off the rails while an Obama ad criticizing Romney's investments as anti-American is considered "Brilliant".   Sununu finally punched back - good for him.  With the schizophrenia in the media these days the MSM won't be talking about Bain in a day or two, in part due to Sununu. As Debbie Wasserman said, stop whining.
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« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2012, 04:50:10 pm »
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So how is this going off the rails while an Obama ad criticizing Romney's investments as anti-American is considered "Brilliant".   Sununu finally punched back - good for him.  With the schizophrenia in the media these days the MSM won't be talking about Bain in a day or two, in part due to Sununu. As Debbie Wasserman said, stop whining.
To a great extent, I'm sure you're right. But until Romney releases his tax returns from before 2010, that issue is guaranteed to recur at intervals.
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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2012, 05:22:46 pm »
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yeah, but by the third or fourth time it begins to look like Obama is searching for a distraction.
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« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2012, 05:47:19 pm »
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yeah, but by the third or fourth time it begins to look like Obama is searching for a distraction.

Or like Romney is really scared of us finding out the truth about him. If he's smart he'll release more returns ASAP, endure whatever drama comes out of that, then start pushing back about how Obama is focusing on his taxes as a distraction. I don't see how not releasing his taxes works out to be a plus for Romney, politically.
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« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2012, 05:57:28 pm »
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yeah, but by the third or fourth time it begins to look like Obama is searching for a distraction.


As opposed to the thirty-three votes so far in the Republican House of Representatives to repeal Obamacare?
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« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2012, 06:24:36 pm »
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Yeah, but no one on Earth has faith in Congress. Some people still have faith in Obama, for whatever reason. BHO has way more to lose than Congress does.
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« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2012, 07:16:40 pm »
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So how is this going off the rails while an Obama ad criticizing Romney's investments as anti-American is considered "Brilliant".   Sununu finally punched back - good for him.  With the schizophrenia in the media these days the MSM won't be talking about Bain in a day or two, in part due to Sununu. As Debbie Wasserman said, stop whining.

Well, Sununu quickly apologized, so he seems to think he did something wrong.
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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2012, 07:31:00 pm »
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Good for him. This is going to be a nasty campaign and Romney needs to call down the attack dogs on obama and the heavily disliked progressive types who vote for him.

Disliked by people who will, obviously, not be voting for Obama anyway, if they so heavily dislike the 'types who vote for him'.
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« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2012, 07:37:48 pm »
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So how is this going off the rails while an Obama ad criticizing Romney's investments as anti-American is considered "Brilliant".   Sununu finally punched back - good for him.  With the schizophrenia in the media these days the MSM won't be talking about Bain in a day or two, in part due to Sununu. As Debbie Wasserman said, stop whining.

News flash for you:  Outsourcing American jobs and hiding your millions in offshore accounts to avoid paying your fair share of taxes is absolutely 'un-American' (as much as I hate that McCarthyite term), whereas aggressive campaigning against your opponent has been part of the American political sphere for about two hundred years.  Deal with it.
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« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2012, 08:29:31 pm »
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yeah, but by the third or fourth time it begins to look like Obama is searching for a distraction.
As opposed to the thirty-three votes so far in the Republican House of Representatives to repeal Obamacare?

33 ≠ 2
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« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2012, 08:35:11 pm »
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What's ironic is that the conservative Republican who called Obama's Americanism into question was born in Cuba to parents who were immigrants from the Middle East. So basically John Sununu was born in a Communist haven to terrorist parents. OMG!
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« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2012, 08:55:07 pm »
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yeah, but by the third or fourth time it begins to look like Obama is searching for a distraction.
As opposed to the thirty-three votes so far in the Republican House of Representatives to repeal Obamacare?

33 ≠ 2

So Boehner  was lying about it being the thirty-third time?
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« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2012, 09:04:59 pm »
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So how is this going off the rails while an Obama ad criticizing Romney's investments as anti-American is considered "Brilliant".   Sununu finally punched back - good for him.  With the schizophrenia in the media these days the MSM won't be talking about Bain in a day or two, in part due to Sununu. As Debbie Wasserman said, stop whining.

News flash for you:  Outsourcing American jobs and hiding your millions in offshore accounts to avoid paying your fair share of taxes is absolutely 'un-American' (as much as I hate that McCarthyite term), whereas aggressive campaigning against your opponent has been part of the American political sphere for about two hundred years.  Deal with it.

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In any case, if you read my post you would understand that my point was 1) Sununu's statement was good politics and 2) Politics is rough and his statement isn't "going over the rails". I never said aggressive campaigning was un-american. So yeah, deal with it.
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