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Let's Brace Ourselves...
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Iran is accused of having a hand in the disgusting attack on Israeli youth in Bulgaria. Netanyahu vows "strong response."
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If he was going to do something he would have made a much stronger attempt to keep Kadima in the fold. Israeli governments almost always try to have grand coalitions before battle.
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Trust me, if Bibi is planning something he won't announce it in a press release.
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RIP to the innocent victims.
Maybe now the Iranian apologists will finally see Iran as an aggressor. Of course they've ignored all the other times Iran was the aggressor so I won't be expecting much.
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The unique misfortune of the Palestinian refugees is that they are a weapon in what seems to be a permanent war...today, in the Middle East, you get a repeated sinking sensation about the Palestinian refugees: they are only a beginning, not an end. Their function is to hang around and be constantly useful as a goad. The ultimate aim is not such humane small potatoes as repatriating refugees.
ChairmanSanchez
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July 18, 2012, 02:23:15 pm »
Is there any proof Iran is behind this?
Anyways, the Syrian regime is about to fall and now Iran is heating up...the Middle East is about to explode.
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July 18, 2012, 02:41:03 pm »
It is sad beyond expression that even in today's world- Jews cannot be safe any where. I hope whoever is responsible- the Iranians or Al Qaeda or whoever else- faces swift and overwhelming retaliation to ensure they do not have the means to do something like this again
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Quote from: clarence on July 18, 2012, 02:41:03 pm
It is sad beyond expression that even in today's world- Jews cannot be safe any where. I hope whoever is responsible- the Iranians or Al Qaeda or whoever else- faces swift and overwhelming retaliation to ensure they do not have the means to do something like this again
This, to me, seems more like a Al Qaeda job than a Hezbollah attack. Al Qaeda has more of a history in Europe than Hezbollah does. Keep in mind, AQ has tried, tried, and tried to get the US in a variety of ways. At this point, a small attack in a random Eastern European nation is not surprising--they have not had any recent success.
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dead0man
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July 18, 2012, 11:34:01 pm »
Oddly (or not), this is the anniversary of another time Iranians blew up some Jews.
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Quote from: Martha Gellhorn for The Atlantic 1961
The unique misfortune of the Palestinian refugees is that they are a weapon in what seems to be a permanent war...today, in the Middle East, you get a repeated sinking sensation about the Palestinian refugees: they are only a beginning, not an end. Their function is to hang around and be constantly useful as a goad. The ultimate aim is not such humane small potatoes as repatriating refugees.
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How so? And where's FallenMorgan?
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Bulgarian press names bomber: Mehdi Ghezali
Bulgarian media on Thursday named the suicide bomber who blew up a bus full of Israeli tourists, killing five Israelis and a local bus driver, in the Black Sea resort of Burgas on Wednesday as Mehdi Ghezali.
There was no independent confirmation of the veracity of the information. The reports surfaced soon after Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had publicly accused Hezbollah, directed by Iran, of responsibility for the bombing. The Prime Minister’s Office made no comment on the reports.
The Bulgarian reports, rapidly picked up by Hebrew media, posited various versions of how the bomber had detonated the bomb, including the suggestion that the bomber had not intended to die in the blast, but may have wanted to place the bomb on the bus and flee.
Ghezali was reportedly a Swedish citizen, with Algerian and Finnish origins. He had been held at the US’s Guantanamo Bay detainment camp on Cuba from 2002 to 2004, having previously studied at a Muslim religious school and mosque in Britain, and traveled to Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. He was also reportedly among 12 foreigners captured trying to cross into Afghanistan in 2009.
Earlier on Thursday the Bulgarian police released a brief video clip that claimed to show the suicide bomber, responsible for Wednesday’s terror attack on a tour bus full of Israeli citizens, walking around shortly before the blast at Burgas International Airport.
The Bulgarian news agency Sofia reported that the bomber was carrying an American passport and Michigan driver’s license, both believed to be forgeries.
Sofia also reported that the Bulgarian Interior Ministry managed to recover the fingerprints of the bomber, which they submitted to the FBI in the United States and the international police organization Interpol. The FBI and CIA joined Israeli and Bulgarian officials in investigating the attack.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/bulgarian-press-names-suicide-bomber-who-killed-israelis-as-mehdi-ghezali
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Another Guantanamo reoffender- these "enemy combatants" deserve ZERO rights...I hope the ACLU leaders have trouble sleeping at night advocating for scum like this
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Quote from: clarence on July 19, 2012, 12:29:02 pm
Another Guantanamo reoffender- these "enemy combatants" deserve ZERO rights...I hope the ACLU leaders have trouble sleeping at night advocating for scum like this
And what if one of them happens to be innocent of what they are accused of? The system isn't infallible.
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ChairmanSanchez
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Quote from: IDS Judicial Overlord John Dibble on July 19, 2012, 12:52:22 pm
Quote from: clarence on July 19, 2012, 12:29:02 pm
Another Guantanamo reoffender- these "enemy combatants" deserve ZERO rights...I hope the ACLU leaders have trouble sleeping at night advocating for scum like this
And what if one of them happens to be innocent of what they are accused of? The system isn't infallible.
Amen. And the ACLU is, in my opinion, a respectable organization. People make it out to be some leftist group.
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Comrade Funk
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Quote from: Cory on July 19, 2012, 03:18:29 pm
Israel kills Iranian scientists for years and nobody cares, but god forbid some little Jew-bus gets bombed. And of course they instantly blame it on Iran without
any evidence whatsoever
indicating that.
Welcome to international politics. Spies do this all the time, especially Mossad.
Now, I don't know about anyone else, but I find your description of the "little Jew-bus" offensive. Average civillian tourists died for no reason except their religion, and you act like it's unfair people are making a big deal out of it.
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ChairmanSanchez
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Quote from: Cory on July 19, 2012, 03:18:29 pm
Israel kills Iranian scientists for years and nobody cares, but god forbid some little Jew-bus gets bombed. And of course they instantly blame it on Iran without
any evidence whatsoever
indicating that.
While your analysis is not completely wrong, your wording is incredibly anti semitic.
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Ray Goldfield
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Quote from: Cory on July 19, 2012, 03:18:29 pm
Israel kills Iranian scientists for years and nobody cares, but god forbid some little Jew-bus gets bombed. And of course they instantly blame it on Iran without
any evidence whatsoever
indicating that.
Holy hell.
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ChairmanSanchez
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Quote from: Ray Goldfield on July 19, 2012, 07:27:58 pm
Quote from: Cory on July 19, 2012, 03:18:29 pm
Israel kills Iranian scientists for years and nobody cares, but god forbid some little Jew-bus gets bombed. And of course they instantly blame it on Iran without
any evidence whatsoever
indicating that.
Holy hell.
There really is not a lot of evidence. Just "he said, she said".
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Ray Goldfield
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Quote from: ChairmanSanchez on July 19, 2012, 07:34:39 pm
Quote from: Ray Goldfield on July 19, 2012, 07:27:58 pm
Quote from: Cory on July 19, 2012, 03:18:29 pm
Israel kills Iranian scientists for years and nobody cares, but god forbid some little Jew-bus gets bombed. And of course they instantly blame it on Iran without
any evidence whatsoever
indicating that.
Holy hell.
There really is not a lot of evidence. Just "he said, she said".
That's not what I'm responding to. I'm responding to the shocking anti-semitism.
As for your point, it's just a question of who's likely to be responsible and who's targeted Israelis and Jews abroad in the past. Israel's not bombing anyone until there's evidence, but accusing the most likely suspect and threatening reprisals if it's found out they were responsible doesn't seem too out of line.
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Quote from: Ray Goldfield on July 19, 2012, 07:56:19 pm
Quote from: ChairmanSanchez on July 19, 2012, 07:34:39 pm
Quote from: Ray Goldfield on July 19, 2012, 07:27:58 pm
Quote from: Cory on July 19, 2012, 03:18:29 pm
Israel kills Iranian scientists for years and nobody cares, but god forbid some little Jew-bus gets bombed. And of course they instantly blame it on Iran without
any evidence whatsoever
indicating that.
Holy hell.
There really is not a lot of evidence. Just "he said, she said".
That's not what I'm responding to. I'm responding to the shocking anti-semitism.
As for your point, it's just a question of who's likely to be responsible and who's targeted Israelis and Jews abroad in the past. Israel's not bombing anyone until there's evidence, but accusing the most likely suspect and threatening reprisals if it's found out they were responsible doesn't seem too out of line.
My bad, I forgot that Corey bolded the evidence part. If Israel were to respond militarily, they would of done so by now, so your point is 100% correct.
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Quote from: Cory on July 19, 2012, 03:18:29 pm
Israel kills Iranian scientists for years and nobody cares,
but god forbid some little Jew-bus gets bombed.
And of course they instantly blame it on Iran without any evidence whatsoever indicating that.
1. Whataboutery
2. Your bigotry is showing
3. lol, South Carolina
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dead0man
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Quote from: Cory on July 19, 2012, 03:18:29 pm
Israel kills Iranian scientists for years and nobody cares, but god forbid some little Jew-bus gets bombed. And of course they instantly blame it on Iran without
any evidence whatsoever
indicating that.
You need to go back to being a bit more subtle with your racism. You should also take note that the major anti-Zionists on this board are keeping their trap shut about this topic (and all the others like it) and follow suit. It's much easier to ignore the aggression of Iran and it's patsies that way.
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Quote from: Martha Gellhorn for The Atlantic 1961
The unique misfortune of the Palestinian refugees is that they are a weapon in what seems to be a permanent war...today, in the Middle East, you get a repeated sinking sensation about the Palestinian refugees: they are only a beginning, not an end. Their function is to hang around and be constantly useful as a goad. The ultimate aim is not such humane small potatoes as repatriating refugees.
GMantis
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Quote from: clarence on July 19, 2012, 12:29:02 pm
Another Guantanamo reoffender- these "enemy combatants" deserve ZERO rights...I hope the ACLU leaders have trouble sleeping at night advocating for scum like this
Swedish intelligence service has
denied
that it's him.
Quote from: dead0man on July 19, 2012, 11:13:12 pm
Quote from: Cory on July 19, 2012, 03:18:29 pm
Israel kills Iranian scientists for years and nobody cares, but god forbid some little Jew-bus gets bombed. And of course they instantly blame it on Iran without
any evidence whatsoever
indicating that.
You need to go back to being a bit more subtle with your racism. You should also take note that the major anti-Zionists on this board are keeping their trap shut about this topic (and all the others like it) and follow suit. It's much easier to ignore the aggression of Iran and it's patsies that way.
Perhaps they're actually waiting for some proof that Iran carried this out? And which proof has been sorely lacking until now.
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dead0man
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A.who else could it be? One of the pissed off Palestinian groups I suppose, but many of them are supported by Iran anyway...perhaps a lone wolf....but we all know who is the most likely culprit
2.Iran's been trying and failing a lot (one
6 months ago in your country
) lately at this game (even if the anti-Zionists ignore it)
III.
American officials have confirmed the attacker was Hezzy under orders from Tehran
Of course anti-Zionists are often anti-American as well (even the American ones) and would never believe anything a US official says unless it's fits in their concrete world view.
But you are correct, waiting for more info isn't a bad thing...but if they're just going to ignore it if it doesn't "fit", I don't really see the point.
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Quote from: Martha Gellhorn for The Atlantic 1961
The unique misfortune of the Palestinian refugees is that they are a weapon in what seems to be a permanent war...today, in the Middle East, you get a repeated sinking sensation about the Palestinian refugees: they are only a beginning, not an end. Their function is to hang around and be constantly useful as a goad. The ultimate aim is not such humane small potatoes as repatriating refugees.
GMantis
Dessie Potter
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Quote from: dead0man on July 20, 2012, 01:27:33 am
III.
American officials have confirmed the attacker was Hezzy under orders from Tehran
Of course anti-Zionists are often anti-American as well (even the American ones) and would never believe anything a US official says unless it's fits in their concrete world view.
That is evidence, if rather vague. And while one shouldn't automatically reject it because it comes from American sources, it does fit into what they would want it to be, so more concrete evidence certainly would help to make this more convincing.
In other news, in a macabre twist of fate the Bulgarian driver of the bus, who was also killed, was probably a Muslim.
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dead0man
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I've read the same. Clearly not devout enough for the true believers if he was driving around a "little Jew-bus".
Wait wait wait.....why are we assuming the attacker was Muslim?
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Quote from: Martha Gellhorn for The Atlantic 1961
The unique misfortune of the Palestinian refugees is that they are a weapon in what seems to be a permanent war...today, in the Middle East, you get a repeated sinking sensation about the Palestinian refugees: they are only a beginning, not an end. Their function is to hang around and be constantly useful as a goad. The ultimate aim is not such humane small potatoes as repatriating refugees.
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