FDR is assassinated on March 3, 1933

[A18]

Here's a hard one to think about: FDR is assassinated on March 3, 1933.

Under the twentieth article of amendment, John Garner is sworn in the next day as the 32nd president of the United States.

How does American history change, and what does the election of 1936 look like?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Garner was an isolationist. So we can say hello to the new World Reich!

[A18]

Garner was an isolationist. So we can say hello to the new World Reich!

World Reich?

[Rob]

Garner was a conservative who opposed the New Deal. There would never have been a New Deal. The 1936 election would have a been a lot closer, because there would have been no government aid. The GOP would actually be able to use the Depression against the Democrats.

Still, the specter of Hoover would result in a narrow Democratic victory. The GOP would have almost certainly regained the White House in 1940, and remained the majority party. This would change everything, of course- during the '60's the Democrats would have become the socially conservative, "backlash" party.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Garner was an isolationist. So we can say hello to the new World Reich!

World Reich?

Nazi domination of the world.

[Joe Republic]

In another thread, some of us talked about the possibility of Huey Long winning the Democratic nomination in 1936, provided FDR somehow died first to allow that to happen.  Of course, Long was assassinated in 1935, so that never could have happened either.

The question is; could Long have beaten Garner for the nomination?  I'd say yes.  And he probably would have beaten Landon in the general too.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Long would've been a great president. Garner would've just been utter crap in every way.

[A18]

Garner was an isolationist. So we can say hello to the new World Reich!

World Reich?

Nazi domination of the world.

He would have been out by WWII, unless he ran for three terms like FDR.

[John Dibble]

Garner was an isolationist. So we can say hello to the new World Reich!

World Reich?

Nazi domination of the world.

He would have been out by WWII, unless he ran for three terms like FDR.

Also it must be considered that Japan probably still would have bombed us, and afterwards Germany would declare war on us as well, so we would be in the war anyways.

[Joe Republic]

Long would've been a great president. Garner would've just been utter crap in every way.

The thing that worries me about Long is how much of a pocket dictator he was.  When he was governor of Louisiana he managed in a short time to consolidate his power to a level worthy of an actual dictator.  Even when he was a senator he still managed to stay in control of the state, despite having no legitimate right to do so.  Imagine for a moment if he had actually become president.  Particularly in the context of the time; with many other leading countries in the world ruled by dictators.  How far would Long have gone exactly to consolidate his presidential authority?

[minionofmidas]

If FDR was assassinated in 1933 (and remember that there was an attempt!) world history would probably change to the negative a whole frigging lot.
There'd not be the New Deal, of course, or only a very cautious, very much Hooverite version of it that would have failed to inspire confidence in anyone.
Worse, think of the economic chaos of that winter.  Hoover's lame duck period directly coincides with the worst part of the Depression. The day before Roosevelt took office, the last of the banks, in the Federal Reserve Cities of New York and Chicago, were closed. There was literally no functioning banking system in America the day Roosevelt came to office. And there was a lot of support for Socialist and fascist positions floating around the country that winter.
Now imagine, in that situation: The president-elect of the most powerful nation on earth (and America was that, although most Americans hadn't realized it yet) is murdered. His running mate is from a very different direction, and anyways is not that very well known.
Can you spell "end of world capitalism as you once knew it"?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

What would happen would depend a lot upon who assassinated FDR and why.  However, without FDR, our entry into WW2 would be delayed.  It is unlikely that any President elected in 1940 in this ATL would be as antagonistic towards Japan as FDR was.  With no embargo of Japan, Japan has no reason to strike at the US or the UK.   WW2 ends with the nuking of what's left of German cities in 1946.

Post war would probably see the attempt to found Israel fail. Factors that would hurt the Zionist cause could include: a UK wearied by a longer war exitting Palestine more quickly, giving less time to smuggle people and arms in before the British left; fewer European Jews surviving; and it's hard to see them having a friendlier US President than Truman, who certainly wouldn't be President in 1948.

Over in the Far East, we might approach Japan about joining an anti-Communist defense pact and maybe send troops and advisors to pro-Japanese puppet governments in China and Manchukuo.

[Colin]

Can you spell "end of world capitalism as you once knew it"?

I thought you were looking forward to that Lewis?