SENATE BILL: Power to Parents Act (Failed)

[Napoleon]

Could I point out that we have this type of system in Sweden and there is no chaos or exploding costs that I'm aware of? Although, we don't do school buses, you just pay for the kids getting a public transportation card and let the families figure out transport on their own. I commuted almost an hour for several years to get to a good school in the city rather than the local one.

Also, as moderator, chill people.

Right the whole price tag is for transportation though so... :/

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Debating the purpose of the bill is certainly in order and in fact a necessity considering there are so many concerns. In the past though, there has been some bit of deference to aid in the fixing of bills one finds repulsive simply so that it is functional if it does pass and it is a diplomatic gesture prior to one taking a meat cleaver to it on the final vote.

What is not appropriate is what has occured in the past two and a half pages of this thread which have served only to degrade the quality of the Senate, lessen the standing of the oval office and the man who occupies it, and go so far as to require admonition from the Moderator General. I must say it is positively repulsive what has occurred in this thread and I frankly can't see how any of the participants of such have gained anything positive from engaging in it.


Clarence's amendment has two hours left, and I haven't seen an objection to that so at Scott's amendment will be altered as such. However, Scott's amendment remains objected to by Senator Redalgo pending further discussion and possible compromise.

At some point it may be advisable to either let Scott's amendment pass, vote on it or for Scott to withdraw it in favor of a new amendment because, as one can surmise, remaining in limbo on the same amendment could get rather impractical you might say.

[Redalgo]

I am formally withdrawing my objection, though it seems quite clear to me that further amending is required if this bill is to ultimately get anywhere.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am formally withdrawing my objection, though it seems quite clear to me that further amending is required if this bill is to ultimately get anywhere.

It is just a procedural thing anyway and trying to attach solutions to all this bill's problems on top of a single amendment by poor old Scott, isn't realistic.

Also, considering that there current breakdown of the amendment tracker, is 8 by Scott, 3 by me and one by Clarence, it might better not to make it look like Scott has become an unofficial ombudsmen of the Senate. He might start demanding better pay and a larger office. Don't get me wrong, he is amending at a reasonable pace, it is that everyone else sucks at it.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Both Clarence's and Scott's amendments have passed.

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[Kaine for Senate '18]

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[Redalgo]

I am formally withdrawing my objection, though it seems quite clear to me that further amending is required if this bill is to ultimately get anywhere.

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Also, considering that there current breakdown of the amendment tracker, is 8 by Scott, 3 by me and one by Clarence, it might better not to make it look like Scott has become an unofficial ombudsmen of the Senate. He might start demanding better pay and a larger office. Don't get me wrong, he is amending at a reasonable pace, it is that everyone else sucks at it.

I may try to start offering amendments at some point but I am completely inexperienced with them, easily forget the associated procedures, usually am unclear on what people want until it is either too late or an amendment or two has already been proposed and needs dealing with, and such. In my first term some of this stuff is still fairly confusing to me. xD

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Do't worry, guys, I'll be offering more amendments as the session progresses.

[CLARENCE 2015!]

Ben's amendment is friendly...

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[TJ in Oregon]

Here's an amendment to make parents responsible for their child's transportation:

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[Napoleon]

Senator TJ, I like your amendment .

[Redalgo]

Given what I've read here over the past few days I now... er... agree with Napoleon?

Edit: Ah, nevermind. I misread it after all.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Ben's amendment has passed


TJ does your amendment need to be altered to reflect the passage of Ben's? It sort of renders the fifth clause he added irrelevant, does it? So my suggestion would be to put it in the text and then strike it through as well to indicate its elimination.

[TJ in Oregon]

Ben's amendment has passed


TJ does your amendment need to be altered to reflect the passage of Ben's? It sort of renders the fifth clause he added irrelevant, does it? So my suggestion would be to put it in the text and then strike it through as well to indicate its elimination.

No it doesn't. Item 1 of the bill was not struck in my amendment so Item 5 must remain, otherwise there would be no point in the bill at all.

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Did Clarence leave again for something?

[Redalgo]

Ya - I don't recall when he is getting back though.

[CLARENCE 2015!]

I posted a Leave of Absence thread like you asked, Yankee! I am back now from your stomping grounds in North Carolina...

I'd like to ask TJ- you are attempting to eliminate the transportation assistance? That is the goal of your amendment?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I posted a Leave of Absence thread like you asked, Yankee! I am back now from your stomping grounds in North Carolina...

I'd like to ask TJ- you are attempting to eliminate the transportation assistance? That is the goal of your amendment?

Yea I saw that one, but for some reason thought you had already returned from that one.

[TJ in Oregon]

I'd like to ask TJ- you are attempting to eliminate the transportation assistance? That is the goal of your amendment?

Yes. I'm all for giving parents the power to choose schools, but if they are going to choose a school their child wouldn't otherwise the parents ought to have the responsibility to get their kids there. If they really want their kids to go there, they'll find a way.

[CLARENCE 2015!]

I'd like to ask TJ- you are attempting to eliminate the transportation assistance? That is the goal of your amendment?

Yes. I'm all for giving parents the power to choose schools, but if they are going to choose a school their child wouldn't otherwise the parents ought to have the responsibility to get their kids there. If they really want their kids to go there, they'll find a way.

The benefit I see to this is that it could potentially prevent overcrowding at certain schools... the other side of this is that it could prevent lower income students from having access to the finest schools which is one of the major intentions behind this legislation

Redalgo and Scott- what are your thoughts?

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

I have some concerns with this amendment.  If fewer low-income students are attending the better schools, then not only would they be deprived of the better education, but student diversity would be lower in these schools.

I don't have a very favorable opinion on this.

[Redalgo]

From what I have read, I'm now inclined to oppose the bill in any of its proposed forms. No ideas come to mind on how to salvage the provisions so that its overall impact is suitably positive. Sorry. D: