SENATE BILL: Power to Parents Act (Failed)

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Status: Senators have 24 hours to object.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

In that case- I propose the following amendment to Scott's amendment

-The participation reward shall be allocated according to need by the school governing authority to schools within the district and will be used only for the purposes of providing resources to expand the school's capacity for students

Does that wording sound fine, Redalgo?

This text runs afoul of Article 4, Section 2 Clause 1 of the OSPR, for reason of lack of clarity as to how it alters the existing text. Is this suppose to be added to the text Scott is modifying or is replacing all or a part of it?

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Scott do you approve of Clarence's desired modifications?


If so we can have one 24 hour period for Clarence's after which Redalgo's objection will be considered removed (which he will confirm) and Scott's original amendment will then be considered as passed.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senators have 24 hours to object to Clarence's amendment.



Redalgo, is you objection withdrawn should Clarence's amendment pass?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Mr. President,

I don't understand what you are desiring here. A bill can't simply be stopped dead in it's tracks because the President expresses his hostility to it. It will proceed under normal procedures as far as they allow and the sponsor desires, until they exhausted. If a Senator grows impatient a tabling process may be initiated but there is no guarrantee that will do anything except cause more delay. As I stated on a previous bill, such a process is time saver only if it succeeds and a time waister if it fails.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Mr. President,

I don't understand what you are desiring here. A bill can't simply be stopped dead in it's tracks because the President expresses his hostility to it. It will proceed under normal procedures as far as they allow and the sponsor desires, until they exhausted. If a Senator grows impatient a tabling process may be initiated but there is no guarrantee that will do anything except cause more delay. As I stated on a previous bill, such a process is time saver only if it succeeds and a time waister if it fails.

I am asking for a final vote to be called or the bill to be withdrawn..or we can draw out the process longer and get the same result but that doesn't benefit anyone.

The text of the bill is currently in flux, a final vote can't brought until amendments have all been considered and debate has ended naturally or procedurally.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Debating the purpose of the bill is certainly in order and in fact a necessity considering there are so many concerns. In the past though, there has been some bit of deference to aid in the fixing of bills one finds repulsive simply so that it is functional if it does pass and it is a diplomatic gesture prior to one taking a meat cleaver to it on the final vote.

What is not appropriate is what has occured in the past two and a half pages of this thread which have served only to degrade the quality of the Senate, lessen the standing of the oval office and the man who occupies it, and go so far as to require admonition from the Moderator General. I must say it is positively repulsive what has occurred in this thread and I frankly can't see how any of the participants of such have gained anything positive from engaging in it.


Clarence's amendment has two hours left, and I haven't seen an objection to that so at Scott's amendment will be altered as such. However, Scott's amendment remains objected to by Senator Redalgo pending further discussion and possible compromise.

At some point it may be advisable to either let Scott's amendment pass, vote on it or for Scott to withdraw it in favor of a new amendment because, as one can surmise, remaining in limbo on the same amendment could get rather impractical you might say.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am formally withdrawing my objection, though it seems quite clear to me that further amending is required if this bill is to ultimately get anywhere.

It is just a procedural thing anyway and trying to attach solutions to all this bill's problems on top of a single amendment by poor old Scott, isn't realistic.

Also, considering that there current breakdown of the amendment tracker, is 8 by Scott, 3 by me and one by Clarence, it might better not to make it look like Scott has become an unofficial ombudsmen of the Senate. He might start demanding better pay and a larger office. Don't get me wrong, he is amending at a reasonable pace, it is that everyone else sucks at it.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Both Clarence's and Scott's amendments have passed.

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Ben's amendment has passed


TJ does your amendment need to be altered to reflect the passage of Ben's? It sort of renders the fifth clause he added irrelevant, does it? So my suggestion would be to put it in the text and then strike it through as well to indicate its elimination.

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Did Clarence leave again for something?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I posted a Leave of Absence thread like you asked, Yankee! I am back now from your stomping grounds in North Carolina...

I'd like to ask TJ- you are attempting to eliminate the transportation assistance? That is the goal of your amendment?

Yea I saw that one, but for some reason thought you had already returned from that one.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Are we going somewhere with this?


The amendment is still in limbo without a sponsor feedback.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Is my understanding correct that no agreement has been reached between the sponsor and the amendment sponsor and thus a vote is in order on it?

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I think you have misunderstood me throughout this debate. I've really thought about all the angles that could be taken here, I just couldn't find any that would work. It isn't that I didn't want to. I also felt it better to be honest when I plan on vetoing something because we have other things to debate, so I didn't mean for you to take it as me being rude. For example, how long should a good Senate sit on a resolution for authorizing force on Iran? Even if I disagree with that too I feel like you proposed it because you felt there was a sense of urgency. That's the only reason why I suggested tabling this bill, not because I wanted to "have my way".

Ah, Mr. President, there are three open slots that can be reasonably used to accomodate a rush on an issue such as the Iran Authortization (PPT, Emergency, and Foreign Policy), if such were requested by the sponsor. I was under the impression that the National Security committee wanted to paw through it first, as well.

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Status: Senators a vote is now open on the amendment, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Aye


Aye (2): NC Yankee and TJ in Cleve
Nay (6): Ben, Clarence, Redalgo, sbane, Scott and Seatown
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (2): AndrewPA and Worms

The amendment is not adopted.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Well, what is next?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senators this bill is now at final vote, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

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