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krazen1211
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Kos/SIEU: Romney ties it up
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July 24, 2012, 09:51:34 am »
http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2012/7/19
Romney 46
Obama 46
And this is with a D+7 sample to boot. Mr. Romney is dominating with Independents who are believing in America again.
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Re: Kos/SIEU: Romney ties it up
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July 24, 2012, 09:53:12 am »
Some interesting questions in this poll.
1. Obama's approval rating has dropped to 42% among registered voters (the poll sample was D+7).
2. 57% of voters say Romney's Bain experience has an either POSITIVE influence on their vote, or NO influence on their vote. 40% say it has a negative experience on their vote
3. In one of the most ridiculously loaded questions I've ever heard a pollster ask, PPP asks whether people have a favorable view of Swiss bank accounts. 52% say they have either a favorable view, or NO view. 48% say they have a negative view.
4. Boehner is unpopular at 27/45%. Pelosi is downright disliked at 28/58%
5. Democrats and Republicans are tied on the Congressional Ballot
6. In another loaded question:
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When Republicans pursue laws requiring voters to show photo identification, do you think they're more concerned with the integrity of the voting process or helping Republican candidates win?
52% say they're more concerned with integrity of voting. Just 39% say they're trying to help Republicans win.
All in all, a bad poll for Obama. Bain seems to be losing its luster.
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- Jake Tapper, Senior White House Correspondent for ABC News
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- Mark Halperin, author of 2008's 'Game Change.'
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July 24, 2012, 11:10:33 am »
27% is unpopular and 28% is downright disliked?
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Re: Kos/SIEU: Romney ties it up
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Quote from: Northeast Representative Alfred F. Jones on July 24, 2012, 11:10:33 am
27% is unpopular and 28% is downright disliked?
How could you miss the disapproval ratings? Considering they were just a "/" away?
Quote from: MorningInAmerica on July 24, 2012, 09:53:12 am
4. Boehner is unpopular at 27/
45%
. Pelosi is downright disliked at 28/
58%
I was referring to the fact that 45% disapproval is unpopular, 58% is downright disliked. Also, Boehner's net disapproval of -18 is what makes him unpopular, Pelosi's -30 makes her downright disliked. What about that isn't clear?
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- Jake Tapper, Senior White House Correspondent for ABC News
"The media is very susceptible to doing what the Obama campaign wants."
- Mark Halperin, author of 2008's 'Game Change.'
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Re: Kos/SIEU: Romney ties it up
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July 24, 2012, 12:15:06 pm »
The crosstabs seem off; Romney is getting 17% of blacks and LEADING with Native Americans.
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Re: Kos/SIEU: Romney ties it up
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July 24, 2012, 12:15:50 pm »
Quote from: Snowstalker on July 24, 2012, 12:15:06 pm
The crosstabs seem off; Romney is getting 70% of blacks and LEADING with Native Americans.
Yeah, that is BS.
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July 24, 2012, 12:17:28 pm »
Quote from: Yank2133 on July 24, 2012, 12:15:50 pm
Quote from: Snowstalker on July 24, 2012, 12:15:06 pm
The crosstabs seem off; Romney is getting 70% of blacks and LEADING with Native Americans.
Yeah, that is BS.
It is B.S., and everyone knows it, even people who won't say it.
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Re: Kos/SIEU: Romney ties it up
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Quote from: Snowstalker on July 24, 2012, 12:15:06 pm
Romney is getting 70% of blacks
hahaha that's awesome
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Re: Kos/SIEU: Romney ties it up
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July 24, 2012, 12:20:41 pm »
Oh yes, let's hear the bitter comments and excuses from Dem diehards who believe Obama has this thing in the bag.
I have been saying all along this is a horse race. This confirms it.
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Re: Kos/SIEU: Romney ties it up
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Quote from: Lief on July 24, 2012, 12:19:58 pm
Quote from: Snowstalker on July 24, 2012, 12:15:06 pm
Romney is getting 70% of blacks
hahaha that's awesome
Whoops, 17%. But still way too high.
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July 24, 2012, 12:23:47 pm »
Something else weird about this poll. It's a 4-day poll, and Obama leads handily on 3 of those days. The exception is Friday, when he lost handily. Why Friday?
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Quote from: Snowstalker on July 24, 2012, 12:15:06 pm
The crosstabs seem off; Romney is getting 17% of blacks and LEADING with Native Americans.
That evens out with obama getting 40% of whites, which is of course far higher than reality.
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Re: Kos/SIEU: Romney ties it up
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July 24, 2012, 12:36:05 pm »
Quote from: krazen1211 on July 24, 2012, 12:25:20 pm
Quote from: Snowstalker on July 24, 2012, 12:15:06 pm
The crosstabs seem off; Romney is getting 17% of blacks and LEADING with Native Americans.
That evens out with obama getting 40% of whites, which is of course far higher than reality.
Gore managed 43%, Kerry 41% and Obama pulled 43% in 2008. Why would you expect Obama to do worse than 40% this time around? If the narrative is "horse race", then 40% of whites is probably the floor for Obama.
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Re: Kos/SIEU: Romney ties it up
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July 24, 2012, 12:39:37 pm »
17% of blacks? Hahaha, okay.
How do American Indians vote, usually?
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Quote from: Senator Scott on July 24, 2012, 12:39:37 pm
17% of blacks? Hahaha, okay.
How do American Indians vote, usually?
Find the county-level results in South Dakota. See that 89% Obama county? Indian reservation.
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Quote from: Senator Scott on July 24, 2012, 12:39:37 pm
How do American Indians vote, usually?
Very heavily Democratic.
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89%?
This poll is junk.
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Quote from: stegosaurus on July 24, 2012, 12:36:05 pm
Quote from: krazen1211 on July 24, 2012, 12:25:20 pm
Quote from: Snowstalker on July 24, 2012, 12:15:06 pm
The crosstabs seem off; Romney is getting 17% of blacks and LEADING with Native Americans.
That evens out with obama getting 40% of whites, which is of course far higher than reality.
Gore managed 43%, Kerry 41% and Obama pulled 43% in 2008. Why would you expect Obama to do worse than 40% this time around? If the narrative is "horse race", then 40% of whites is probably the floor for Obama.
It's certainly not the floor. Mondale and Dukakis performed worse than that with whites. The why is because the Democratic party has alienated the white community.
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Quote from: krazen1211 on July 24, 2012, 01:03:56 pm
It's certainly not the floor. Mondale and Dukakis performed worse than that with whites.
Obama isn't Mondale or Dukakis.
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The why is because the Democratic party has alienated the white community.
As if "the white community" thinks the Republicans are so great.
The GOP's dictatorial demeanor has alienated Americans of every color.
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Quote from: Bandit3 the Worker on July 24, 2012, 01:06:31 pm
Quote from: krazen1211 on July 24, 2012, 01:03:56 pm
It's certainly not the floor. Mondale and Dukakis performed worse than that with whites.
Obama isn't Mondale or Dukakis.
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The why is because the Democratic party has alienated the white community.
As if "the white community" thinks the Republicans are so great.
The GOP's dictatorial demeanor has alienated Americans of every color.
Better said that Mondale and Dukakis were fortunate to not be Barack Obama. Alternatively, of course, you could look at the 2010 elections which showed unprecedented white flight from the Democratic party.
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Quote from: krazen1211 on July 24, 2012, 01:08:35 pm
Better said that Mondale and Dukakis were fortunate to not be Barack Obama. Alternatively, of course, you could look at the 2010 elections which showed unprecedented white flight from the Democratic party.
Have you ever been to Dayton, Kentucky?
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Quote from: krazen1211 on July 24, 2012, 01:03:56 pm
Quote from: stegosaurus on July 24, 2012, 12:36:05 pm
Quote from: krazen1211 on July 24, 2012, 12:25:20 pm
Quote from: Snowstalker on July 24, 2012, 12:15:06 pm
The crosstabs seem off; Romney is getting 17% of blacks and LEADING with Native Americans.
That evens out with obama getting 40% of whites, which is of course far higher than reality.
Gore managed 43%, Kerry 41% and Obama pulled 43% in 2008. Why would you expect Obama to do worse than 40% this time around?
If the narrative is "horse race"
, then 40% of whites is probably the floor for Obama.
It's certainly not the floor. Mondale and Dukakis performed worse than that with whites. The why is because the Democratic party has alienated the white community.
A) Dukakis took 40% of whites in 1988; Mondale even managed 34% while losing 49 states.
B) Obama will not be losing by 18 points nationally (or even the 8 points that Dukakis lost by).
http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/#.UA7lX2HpEpQ
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Quote from: Senator Scott on July 24, 2012, 12:52:23 pm
89%?
This poll is junk.
I thought PPP was the gold standard for Democrats these days. So they're losing their flare?
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Re: Kos/SIEU: Romney ties it up
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Quote from: Bandit3 the Worker on July 24, 2012, 01:06:31 pm
Obama isn't Mondale or Dukakis.
No. He's much worse.
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Quote from: krazen1211 on July 24, 2012, 09:51:34 am
Mr. Romney is dominating with Independents who are believing in America again.
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