MI: Mitchell/Detroit News: Romney+1

[Tender Branson]

New Poll: Michigan President by Mitchell/Detroit News on 2012-07-23

Summary: D: 44%, R: 45%, I: 0%, U: 11%

Poll Source URL: Full Poll Details

[Tender Branson]

Republicans have already spent about 4 Mio. $ in Michigan so far, Obama nothing:

http://nationaljournal.com/hotline/ad-spending-in-presidential-battleground-states-20120620

Says PPP:

We continue to find Obama up double digits in Michigan, really just don't buy that as a competitive state.

Not a great weekend for Obama on our national poll but he's up by solid margins on the MI and PA polls we'll have out in the morning.

Condi on the ticket chopped 6 pts off Obama's lead on both our MI and PA polls over the weekend- real game changer potential there.

http://twitter.com/ppppolls

[Tender Branson]

I think that, ironically, Rasmussen's poll in the middle has the best result with Obama+6.

Mitchell's Romney+1 looks like an outlier and PPP's double-digit Obama poll too.

If Obama's internal polling showed a close race, the campaign would have aired some ads by now, and the campaign does a lot of polling recently:

Obama Campaign Spends More than $2.6 Million for Polling—in June

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-campaign-spends-more-26-million-polling-june_648846.html

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Very interesting to see how the race would change with Condi. I wonder how these polls weigh on the Romney camp...

[Lief]

Condi would give Romney a huge short-term boost, but in the long-run I don't think she'd actually be as helpful as polls are showing.

[Gravis Marketing]

Condi is prickly and has never run for office.

[krazen1211]

Right in line with 4 other Michigan polls.

[a Person]

Right in line with 4 other Michigan polls from no-name and junk pollsters.

Fixed.

[MorningInAmerica]

Right in line with 4 other Michigan polls from no-name and junk pollsters.

Fixed.

Wow, grasping for straws and manipulating other peoples words. Impressive.

[I Can't Get That Sound You Make, Out Of My Head]

Right in line with 4 other Michigan polls from no-name and junk pollsters.

Fixed.

Wow, grasping for straws and manipulating other peoples words. Impressive.

If Rasmussen has Obama up by 6, that says a lot. I don't really trust any of the other pollsters.

[MorningInAmerica]

Right in line with 4 other Michigan polls from no-name and junk pollsters.

Fixed.

Wow, grasping for straws and manipulating other peoples words. Impressive.

If Rasmussen has Obama up by 6, that says a lot. I don't really trust any of the other pollsters.

So let me make sure I understand. When Rasmussen has a Republican up in a poll, they're full of it, trolls, junk poll. But when they have a Democrat up, that's "saying a lot."?

[I Can't Get That Sound You Make, Out Of My Head]

Right in line with 4 other Michigan polls from no-name and junk pollsters.

Fixed.

Wow, grasping for straws and manipulating other peoples words. Impressive.

If Rasmussen has Obama up by 6, that says a lot. I don't really trust any of the other pollsters.

So let me make sure I understand. When Rasmussen has a Republican up in a poll, they're full of it, trolls, junk poll. But when they have a Democrat up, that's "saying a lot."?

You just answered your own question. Rassy tends to be pretty Republican leaning, so yes it does say a lot when they tend to show better results for the Democrats than the mean.

[MorningInAmerica]

Right in line with 4 other Michigan polls from no-name and junk pollsters.

Fixed.

Wow, grasping for straws and manipulating other peoples words. Impressive.

If Rasmussen has Obama up by 6, that says a lot. I don't really trust any of the other pollsters.

So let me make sure I understand. When Rasmussen has a Republican up in a poll, they're full of it, trolls, junk poll. But when they have a Democrat up, that's "saying a lot."?

You just answered your own question. Rassy tends to be pretty Republican leaning, so yes it does say a lot when they tend to show better results for the Democrats than the mean.

I guess my point is either Rasmussen's polls are crap and they don't say a lot, or they're not crap and their results "say a lot." And Rasmussen is not quite as Republican leaning as you seem to think: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/22/calculating-house-effects-of-polling-firms/

[Inks.LWC Supports Chuck Hagel]

I think this is  probably accurate for where Michigan is right now.  By election day when Obama puts some money in and the unions make their push, that'll give Obama a comfortable lead.  Plus, having Pete Hoekstra as our Senate nominee isn't energizing anybody in the GOP really.

[a Person]

Right in line with 4 other Michigan polls from no-name and junk pollsters.

Fixed.

Wow, grasping for straws and manipulating other peoples words. Impressive.

Look, of the polls he was referring to, three of them are by no-name pollsters.
The other is from We Ask America, which has demonstrated itself to be full of [Inks] time and again.
This is fairly obvious.

[krazen1211]

Right in line with 4 other Michigan polls from no-name and junk pollsters.

Fixed.

Wow, grasping for straws and manipulating other peoples words. Impressive.

You have to realize that these liberals create numbers and their head and scream about any poll that doesn't match those numbers.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

Isn't the Detroit News a right-wing rag?

[OC]

Obama should be more worried about winning IA,NH, and OH than MI.

[Invisible Obama]

Come election day, some people are going to be very surprised when Romney doesn't win Michigan, even though they shouldn't be. It's just not happening.

[krazen1211]

Right in line with 4 other Michigan polls from no-name and junk pollsters.

Fixed.

Wow, grasping for straws and manipulating other peoples words. Impressive.

Look, of the polls he was referring to, three of them are by no-name pollsters.
The other is from We Ask America, which has demonstrated itself to be full of [Inks] time and again.
This is fairly obvious.

NBC Marist also had this as a 4 point race. But I like your utter lack of logical thinking in excusing PPP's consistent junk polling.

[Reds4]

I wish this were true.. but I'm not believing that Romney is competitive in Michigan.

[stegosaurus]

I sincerely hope that Romney doesn't buy into this narrative that Michigan is up for grabs. He'll need to be laser focused on NC, VA, FL, and OH to have any chance of winning this election.

[MorningInAmerica]

I sincerely hope that Romney doesn't buy into this narrative that Michigan is up for grabs. He'll need to be laser focused on NC, VA, FL, and OH to have any chance of winning this election.

That still only gives Romney 255 electoral votes to Obama's 283. Throw in Indiana and it's still Romney 266, Obama 272. He has to win somewhere else. Is Michigan the most likely place for him to do it? No. But polling pre-VP and pre-convention has been strong there, and Romney needs to compete for more than just 266 electoral votes.

[pbrower2a]

Condi is prickly and has never run for office.

She would show the usual weaknesses of a VP nominee with no experience in elected office.

[a Person]

Right in line with 4 other Michigan polls from no-name and junk pollsters.

Fixed.

Wow, grasping for straws and manipulating other peoples words. Impressive.

Look, of the polls he was referring to, three of them are by no-name pollsters.
The other is from We Ask America, which has demonstrated itself to be full of [Inks] time and again.
This is fairly obvious.

NBC Marist also had this as a 4 point race. But I like your utter lack of logical thinking in excusing PPP's consistent junk polling.

I never mentioned PPP.
And four points is not exactly a toss-up.
But then,

You have to realize that these liberals conservatives create numbers and their head put words in other people's mouths and scream about any poll that doesn't match those numbers. the results being illogical.