Which movement is more racist? (Israel-related)

[Free Palestine]

Zionism.  I see a lot more Zionists who call Arabs savages and pretend like they have a right to kick Arabs off their land and build settlements, than I see Anti-Zionists who scream about the "ZOG" and crap like that.

Also, Zionism is based entirely on race.  Anti-Zionism is based on anti-nationalism.

[Free Palestine]

Zionism says 'we, as a people, would like to live here. We'll buy it if you're selling'. Anti-Zionism says 'we should drive all Israelis out of Israel.' One of these is harmless. The other is attempted genocide. Fortunately, Zionism has pretty much won, but some people instinctively root for an underdog, which anti-Zionism is nowadays (thankfully).

I oppose Zionism, but I would not support driving Israelis out of their homes.  Nor would most anti-Zionists.  Though Palestinian refugees should be allowed to return, and something should be resolved about how there are people living on their (stolen) land.  I'm unsure about what should be done about the settlements.

And to chalk up opposition to Zionism to "instinctive rooting for an underdog" is stupid.  You're basically doing the arrogant "hurr hurr everyone who disagrees with me is just a dumb little teenager" thing.

[Free Palestine]

Saying you're not sure about the settlements because really the Palestinians should get that land is like saying you're not sure about Tampa because really we should give it to the Seminoles. The act of stealing land is bad. Great-grandchildren should not be punished for it.

Pretty sure there are people alive who remember 1967. Not so sure on 16th century Tocobaga.

That was more about '49 (which is also still remembered) than '67; in the latter case the Palestinians are still an ethnic majority in most of the West Bank. And the Seminoles were a majority in South Florida until well into the 19th century, as I recall.

Yet only small patches of the West Bank are under Palestinian civilian control.

I find it amusing how Jews who have never stepped foot in Israel have a right of "return," yet Palestinians refugees and their children don't.

[Free Palestine]

Saying you're not sure about the settlements because really the Palestinians should get that land is like saying you're not sure about Tampa because really we should give it to the Seminoles. The act of stealing land is bad. Great-grandchildren should not be punished for it.

Pretty sure there are people alive who remember 1967. Not so sure on 16th century Tocobaga.

That was more about '49 (which is also still remembered) than '67; in the latter case the Palestinians are still an ethnic majority in most of the West Bank. And the Seminoles were a majority in South Florida until well into the 19th century, as I recall.

Yet only small patches of the West Bank are under Palestinian civilian control.

I find it amusing how Jews who have never stepped foot in Israel have a right of "return," yet Palestinians refugees and their children don't.

The Israeli government can set its own immigration policy, and it's not unreasonable to invite in people with a culture similar to that of regular Israelis while not allowing in those who would prefer to see the Israeli state cease to exist. So while you may find it amusing it is clearly the sensible policy.

Hurr because all Palestinian refugees and their descendants want to see Israel destroyed.

There's a word to describe what you just posted: racism.

[Free Palestine]

Saying you're not sure about the settlements because really the Palestinians should get that land is like saying you're not sure about Tampa because really we should give it to the Seminoles. The act of stealing land is bad. Great-grandchildren should not be punished for it.

Pretty sure there are people alive who remember 1967. Not so sure on 16th century Tocobaga.

That was more about '49 (which is also still remembered) than '67; in the latter case the Palestinians are still an ethnic majority in most of the West Bank. And the Seminoles were a majority in South Florida until well into the 19th century, as I recall.

Yet only small patches of the West Bank are under Palestinian civilian control.

I find it amusing how Jews who have never stepped foot in Israel have a right of "return," yet Palestinians refugees and their children don't.

The Israeli government can set its own immigration policy, and it's not unreasonable to invite in people with a culture similar to that of regular Israelis while not allowing in those who would prefer to see the Israeli state cease to exist. So while you may find it amusing it is clearly the sensible policy.

Hurr because all Palestinian refugees and their descendants want to see Israel destroyed.

There's a word to describe what you just posted: racism.

Because, yes, the large majority of Palestinian refugees and their descendants would like to see Israel destroyed -- that is racism. What I posted was common sense.

O RLY?  Do you have a source?  Bonus points if you can find a source that isn't some zionist propaganda site.

Regardless, it's wrong as all bloody hell to ban an entire class of people just because of some view they might hold.  That's not "common sense."  That's racism.  But it's okay, because it's racism in defense of your bloody thousand-mile-away imperialist state that's not even the size of Armenia that has not done one thing to deserve the religious support of you and millions of other Americans, to the insane extent that American teenagers volunteer for the IDF.