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FallenMorgan
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« on: July 28, 2012, 12:06:50 AM »

Oh f#ck Romney.
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FallenMorgan
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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2012, 12:54:29 AM »

A Republican is concerned about the intersection of religion and politics? That's.....interesting.

What do you mean how so? Religion is politics over there. Are you trying to make a comparison to over here with the religious right? There is no comparison but I'm sure a political point could be scored by blurting that out. When we have car bombings in the name of Jesus taking place on the streets of our country then we'll talk. If that's not what you were trying to get at please explain.
The one's doing the car bombings aren't the "Islamists" getting elected to high office though. The Tunisian "Islamist" party in particular seems quite harmless- not meaningfully more theocratic then the Republican party in states like Utah.

They're actually pretty progressive.

It's important to remember that the ruling party in Turkey is Islamist.  Islamism doesn't necessarily have a worse connotation than Christian Democracy (like Merkel's party).

Ok and what's your point? I don't think anyone ever suggest the U.S. was an imperialist nation for looking out for our own interests. Are you saying we are? If not then what is your point?

What that fellow was saying was that democracy doesn't deserve to be defended unless it promotes things that America likes.
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FallenMorgan
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2012, 02:40:51 PM »


Of course he's allowed to have it.  It just strikes me as utterly bizarre.  First the GOP insists that the Arab Spring is a vindication of Bush's "freedom agenda" (as put forth in his second inaugural address), but now that Arab Spring has toppled some dictators and we have democratic elections, the fact that some of those elections have brought Islamists to power means that the Arab Spring was actually bad, and if only Obama had asked Mubarak for democratic elections nicely, he would have said yes....and the people wouldn't have elected Islamists?  Explain to me how that would have happened.

What seems to have happened here is that Romney was trying to appeal to his audience in this interview (Israelis and Americans who are nervous about the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt), but couldn't find the right way to thread the needle so that he could agree with them without making it sound like democracy in the Arab world is bad.


No that's not it. It's good to have free elections. It's bad to elect Islamists. Just because someone is elected to office doesn't mean that the people made the right choice. It just means they won "fair and square." Freedom in the Arab world is good as long as it stays as "freedom." The way I view it is as a work in progress. I don't think Romney would be wrong to call it that either. He's free to take my words too. In politics the bad guys can win.

The elections are free; the elections are fair. The people of Tunisia and Egypt have chosen Islam (I detest the words Islamism and Islamist) and you have no right to interfere with the democratic process.

Leftists automatically claim any election of anti-Americans is automatically "free and fair", but the web says differently.  Google "fraud tunisian elections" and then do the same for every other Arab Winter election.

Let me guess, you get your news from RT.
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FallenMorgan
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2012, 01:53:49 AM »

He also says not to criticize Israel.
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FallenMorgan
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2012, 07:30:12 PM »

This, unfortunately, will probably also help Romney.

Hm?
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