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« on: July 30, 2012, 10:40:27 am »
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AN  AMENDMENT
To establish clearer proceedings for the Impeachment of Government Officials.

Be it enacted by 2/3 of the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia assembled.

This Amendment shall be titled as the "Impeachment Clarification Amendment".

Section 2: Impeachment
1.In the same manner as the proposition of a Bill, Articles of Impeachment may be proposed  against any executive or judicial officer of the federal government.
2.The Senate will shall be impaneled as a grand jury to consider these Articles of Impeachment; In considering these Articles, the Chief Justice shall preside, unless it is his own impeachment, in which case the President of the Senate shall preside. A two-thirds majority vote of the Senate under quorum rules will be necessary to impeach the Officer.
3.The People shall have sole power to try such impeachments. The Chief Justice shall administer a public poll to try the impeachment, unless it is the Chief Justice who shall have been impeached, in which case the Senate President pro tempore shall administer the public poll. The public poll shall be held for one week and shall require the consent of a majority voting to convict. Citizens shall make their vote publicly known in the form of a post.
4.Upon conviction by the People, the officer shall be removed from office immediately. Any person convicted upon impeachment shall be disqualified from holding any office under the Republic of Atlasia for a time period explicitly specified in the Articles of Impeachment.

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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2012, 10:42:46 am »
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It is a rather minimal change to be sure, but "shall" is much more powerfull word then "will" in legal terms.


Also, we can determine if we want to make any other changes or add requirements to prevent a future communications breakdown and to limit the need to proceed to trial like proceedings in the Senate, simply because a Senate introduces articles on a lone wolf like mission.
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2012, 01:36:58 pm »
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AN  AMENDMENT
To establish clearer proceedings for the Impeachment of Government Officials.

Be it enacted by 2/3 of the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia assembled.

This Amendment shall be titled as the "Impeachment Clarification Amendment".

Section 2: Impeachment

1. In the same manner as the proposition of a Bill, Articles of Impeachment may be proposed  against any executive or judicial officer of the federal government.

2. All impeachment hearings will first take place in the Senate Committee on the Judiciary for a period of seven days.  During this time, members of the committee may ask questions to all people involved in impeachment cases and review the Articles of Impeachment.  All people in the deposition will provide their testimonies under oath.  If a witness is found to have lied whilst bound by the oath, perjury may be charged against them.

3. Upon completion of the Committee hearing,
the Senate will shall be impaneled as a grand jury to consider these Articles of Impeachment; In considering these Articles, the Chief Justice shall preside, unless it is his own impeachment, in which case the President of the Senate shall preside. A two-thirds majority vote of the Senate under quorum rules will be necessary to impeach the Officer.

4. The People shall have sole power to try such impeachments. The Chief Justice shall administer a public poll to try the impeachment, unless it is the Chief Justice who shall have been impeached, in which case the Senate President pro tempore shall administer the public poll. The public poll shall be held for one week and shall require the consent of a majority voting to convict. Citizens shall make their vote publicly known in the form of a post.

5. Upon conviction by the People, the officer shall be removed from office immediately. Any person convicted upon impeachment shall be disqualified from holding any office under the Republic of Atlasia for a time period explicitly specified in the Articles of Impeachment.
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2012, 01:55:58 pm »
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Quote from: Amendment 50:20 by Scott
AN  AMENDMENT
To establish clearer proceedings for the Impeachment of Government Officials.

Be it enacted by 2/3 of the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia assembled.

This Amendment shall be titled as the "Impeachment Clarification Amendment".

Section 2: Impeachment

1. In the same manner as the proposition of a Bill, Articles of Impeachment may be proposed  against any executive or judicial officer of the federal government.

2. All impeachment hearings will first take place in the Senate Committee on the Judiciary for a period of seven days.  During this time, members of the committee may ask questions to all people involved in impeachment cases and review the Articles of Impeachment.  All people in the deposition will provide their testimonies under oath.  If a witness is found to have lied whilst bound by the oath, perjury may be charged against them.

3. Upon completion of the Committee hearing,
the Senate will shall be impaneled as a grand jury to consider these Articles of Impeachment; In considering these Articles, the Chief Justice shall preside, unless it is his own impeachment, in which case the President of the Senate shall preside. A two-thirds majority vote of the Senate under quorum rules will be necessary to impeach the Officer.

4. The People shall have sole power to try such impeachments. The Chief Justice shall administer a public poll to try the impeachment, unless it is the Chief Justice who shall have been impeached, in which case the Senate President pro tempore shall administer the public poll. The public poll shall be held for one week and shall require the consent of a majority voting to convict. Citizens shall make their vote publicly known in the form of a post.

5. Upon conviction by the People, the officer shall be removed from office immediately. Any person convicted upon impeachment shall be disqualified from holding any office under the Republic of Atlasia for a time period explicitly specified in the Articles of Impeachment.

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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2012, 11:34:25 pm »
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I actually think its a great idea to enshrine these Committees.  There's no good argument for them not to become a permanent part of our culture.
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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2012, 11:43:02 pm »
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I honestly don't see what difference it would make...
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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2012, 12:27:57 pm »
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I don't really see a difference either..
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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2012, 11:55:06 am »
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It concerns me because the committees are a creation of a Senate Resolution and that gives the Senate a lot of flexibility to alter or change it as necessary, something which is especially important in period when we are just starting with these. Putting in the Constitution would remove that flexibility.
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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2012, 12:58:59 pm »
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Does the amendment sponsor disagree with my reasoning on this?


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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2012, 01:01:16 pm »
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The Judiciary Committee already has the task of conducting impeachment proceedings.  Enshrining this in the Constitution only underlines its authority to do that.
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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2012, 01:24:30 pm »
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Well it doesn't matter if we were to come to an agreement because I am not the one who entered objection. Tongue


Quote from: Amendment 50:20 by Scott
AN  AMENDMENT
To establish clearer proceedings for the Impeachment of Government Officials.

Be it enacted by 2/3 of the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia assembled.

This Amendment shall be titled as the "Impeachment Clarification Amendment".

Section 2: Impeachment

1. In the same manner as the proposition of a Bill, Articles of Impeachment may be proposed  against any executive or judicial officer of the federal government.

2. All impeachment hearings will first take place in the Senate Committee on the Judiciary for a period of seven days.  During this time, members of the committee may ask questions to all people involved in impeachment cases and review the Articles of Impeachment.  All people in the deposition will provide their testimonies under oath.  If a witness is found to have lied whilst bound by the oath, perjury may be charged against them.

3. Upon completion of the Committee hearing,
the Senate will shall be impaneled as a grand jury to consider these Articles of Impeachment; In considering these Articles, the Chief Justice shall preside, unless it is his own impeachment, in which case the President of the Senate shall preside. A two-thirds majority vote of the Senate under quorum rules will be necessary to impeach the Officer.

4. The People shall have sole power to try such impeachments. The Chief Justice shall administer a public poll to try the impeachment, unless it is the Chief Justice who shall have been impeached, in which case the Senate President pro tempore shall administer the public poll. The public poll shall be held for one week and shall require the consent of a majority voting to convict. Citizens shall make their vote publicly known in the form of a post.

5. Upon conviction by the People, the officer shall be removed from office immediately. Any person convicted upon impeachment shall be disqualified from holding any office under the Republic of Atlasia for a time period explicitly specified in the Articles of Impeachment.

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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2012, 01:27:42 pm »
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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2012, 01:33:26 pm »
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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2012, 01:54:09 pm »
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« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2012, 05:39:52 pm »
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Bumping for votes.
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« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2012, 08:26:48 pm »
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« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2012, 11:49:20 pm »
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I fear that the defeat of this amendment will possibly jeopardize possible impeachment procedures.

I repeat: the Judiciary Committee is already designated the task of hearing impeachment proceedings.  My amendment simply outlines the procedure of how they will be conducted.
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« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2012, 09:56:23 am »
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« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2012, 03:21:46 pm »
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WTF Senators?!!! Angry
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« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2012, 03:53:52 pm »
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Vote on passage of Amendment 50:20 by Scott:

Aye (6): AndrewPA, Ben, NC Yankee, sbane, Scott and TJ in Cleve
Nay (2): Redalgo and Seatown
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Didn't Vote (2): Clarence and Worms - Sounds like a 60's band. Tongue

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« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2012, 06:57:13 pm »
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Didn't Vote (2): Clarence and Worms - Sounds like a 60's band. Tongue

Clarence probably saw them live Tongue
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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2012, 06:54:19 pm »
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Shall we move to a final vote?
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