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Tender Branson
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« on: July 30, 2012, 01:24:19 PM »

This is probably one of the only countries in Europe besides Albania, Kosovo and Georgia where Romney could crack 30% in a Obama vs. Romney poll:



Mitt and Ann Romney waved to a cheering crowd outside Prime Minister Donald Tusk’s office in Gdansk on Monday.

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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2012, 01:25:27 PM »

The Walesa endorsement should help.
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2012, 01:37:43 PM »

Given the strength of far-right parties there, would Romney have a shot in either Austria or Hungary?
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2012, 01:42:26 PM »

Given the strength of far-right parties there, would Romney have a shot in either Austria or Hungary?

Ehhh ... no. Not here.

In 2004 and 2008, all the polls by Austrian research institutes barely showed McCain breaking 10%, while Kerry and Obama were in the 60s and 70s.

Romney could get 15% here, but that's it. Actually I know many of my FPÖ- and ÖVP voting friends, family members and colleagues who back Obama over Romney.

Hungary could be a different story, but even there I doubt Romney breaks 30% ...
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2012, 01:49:26 PM »

Now that I actually think about it, this trip has been really successful if you just forget about everything that happened in Britain. Which most Americans seem to be doing.
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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2012, 01:53:23 PM »

Now that I actually think about it, this trip has been really successful if you just forget about everything that happened in Britain. Which most Americans seem to be doing.

How has it been successful? What has Romney accomplished exactly?
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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2012, 01:59:14 PM »

mondale, by that token, no diplomatic trip is ever a success. Concrete accomplishments? None. It's about soft power: Romney had a huge crowd in Poland and got the endorsement of an iconic former president. It's enough to make him look good.

England turned out bad because of a rabid and liberal British press. Romney's comments were fair, accurate, and made to an American news station. People got angry because the comments were true and the English were embarrassed to be reminded about it. If Obama had said those things, Cameron would have publicly and politely addressed Obama's concerns and explained what they were doing to make sure the games ran smoothly.
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« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2012, 02:00:21 PM »

You forgot Poland!
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« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2012, 02:01:00 PM »

Now that I actually think about it, this trip has been really successful if you just forget about everything that happened in Britain. Which most Americans seem to be doing.

How has it been successful? What has Romney accomplished exactly?

Looked statesmanlike, met with famous people, got some nice photos.
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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2012, 02:04:24 PM »

Considering Walesa's background, him endorsing Mitten's so enthusiastically is quite a surprise. I guess foreign policy trumps all in some cases.
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« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2012, 02:05:38 PM »

England turned out bad because of a rabid and liberal British press.

Hahah what? If anything, the conservative papers were even more critical of him than the left-wing ones!
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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2012, 02:07:12 PM »

England turned out bad because of a rabid and liberal British press.

Hahah what? If anything, the conservative papers were even more critical of him than the left-wing ones!

England turned out bad because he said stupid s**t. And it makes perfect sense in the context of British politics than the Right would be more critical than Left.
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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2012, 02:07:31 PM »

Considering Walesa's background, him endorsing Mitten's so enthusiastically is quite a surprise. I guess foreign policy trumps all in some cases.

Who was it that said Mitt would go and insult unions? This is surprisng indeed.

England turned out bad because of a rabid and liberal British press.

Hahah what? If anything, the conservative papers were even more critical of him than the left-wing ones!

Powellites?
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« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2012, 02:08:52 PM »

Now that I actually think about it, this trip has been really successful if you just forget about everything that happened in Britain. Which most Americans seem to be doing.

How has it been successful? What has Romney accomplished exactly?

Looked statesmanlike, met with famous people, got some nice photos.

Uh no he didn't, he looked like a moron...and a wimp (according to the far-left European socialist magazine Newsweek)...
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« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2012, 02:09:28 PM »

England turned out bad because of a rabid and liberal British press.

Hahah what? If anything, the conservative papers were even more critical of him than the left-wing ones!

There's barely such a thing as small-c conservatives in Britain.
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« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2012, 02:12:09 PM »

mondale, by that token, no diplomatic trip is ever a success. Concrete accomplishments? None. It's about soft power: Romney had a huge crowd in Poland and got the endorsement of an iconic former president.

You mean like 500 people (all right-wing wackos probably)?

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That's why all the coverage has been negative to neutral right?
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« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2012, 02:12:46 PM »

England turned out bad because of a rabid and liberal British press.

Hahah what? If anything, the conservative papers were even more critical of him than the left-wing ones!

There's barely such a thing as small-c conservatives in Britain.

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« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2012, 02:13:16 PM »

England turned out bad because of a rabid and liberal British press.

Hahah what? If anything, the conservative papers were even more critical of him than the left-wing ones!

There's barely such a thing as small-c conservatives in Britain.

LOL. You do realize that the Tories are the original conservatives, right?
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« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2012, 02:16:01 PM »

England turned out bad because of a rabid and liberal British press.

Hahah what? If anything, the conservative papers were even more critical of him than the left-wing ones!

There's barely such a thing as small-c conservatives in Britain.

Britain is one of the most small-c countries in the world. Tongue

It's why we still have things like the House of Lords, Monarchy and a FPTP electoral system.
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« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2012, 02:17:50 PM »

Now that I actually think about it, this trip has been really successful if you just forget about everything that happened in Britain. Which most Americans seem to be doing.

How has it been successful? What has Romney accomplished exactly?

Looked statesmanlike, met with famous people, got some nice photos.

Uh no he didn't, he looked like a moron...and a wimp (according to the far-left European socialist magazine Newsweek)...

I said excluding Britain.

Considering Walesa's background, him endorsing Mitten's so enthusiastically is quite a surprise. I guess foreign policy trumps all in some cases.

Who was it that said Mitt would go and insult unions? This is surprisng indeed.

Walesa, like most former anti-Eastern Bloc activists (or people for whom the Eastern Bloc is still a rather vivid memory, such as my family), is fairly supportive of the American Republicans.

England turned out bad because of a rabid and liberal British press.

Hahah what? If anything, the conservative papers were even more critical of him than the left-wing ones!

Powellites?


Wikipedia says powellite is a calcium molybdate mineral with the formula CaMoO4, and I don't know what you mean off the top of my head. Because of their stance against universal healthcare, the American Right is generally not looked upon favorably in Britain (alas! in a reasonable world it would be the other way around), so the British Right may have seized on an opportunity to distance themselves from the likes of Romney and the Republicans.

mondale, by that token, no diplomatic trip is ever a success. Concrete accomplishments? None. It's about soft power: Romney had a huge crowd in Poland and got the endorsement of an iconic former president.

You mean like 500 people (all right-wing wackos probably)?

Because anybody who could possibly support the Republicans is a right-wing wacko.

England turned out bad because of a rabid and liberal British press.

Hahah what? If anything, the conservative papers were even more critical of him than the left-wing ones!

There's barely such a thing as small-c conservatives in Britain.

LOL. You do realize that the Tories are the original conservatives, right?

What counts as a conservative in America and what counts as a conservative in Britain are two different things.

England turned out bad because of a rabid and liberal British press.

Hahah what? If anything, the conservative papers were even more critical of him than the left-wing ones!

There's barely such a thing as small-c conservatives in Britain.

Britain is one of the most small-c countries in the world. Tongue

It's why we still have things like the House of Lords, Monarchy and a FPTP electoral system.

No, that's just plain old inertia.
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« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2012, 02:23:53 PM »

England turned out bad because of a rabid and liberal British press.

Hahah what? If anything, the conservative papers were even more critical of him than the left-wing ones!

There's barely such a thing as small-c conservatives in Britain.

Britain is one of the most small-c countries in the world. Tongue

It's why we still have things like the House of Lords, Monarchy and a FPTP electoral system.

Can any of those first two say no to the House of Commons on a major issue? Does anything restrict the ability of the Commons to do something other then precedent and tradition, which are things that can be overturned with a vote of the said body?
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« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2012, 02:35:02 PM »

England turned out bad because of a rabid and liberal British press.

Hahah what? If anything, the conservative papers were even more critical of him than the left-wing ones!

There's barely such a thing as small-c conservatives in Britain.

Britain is one of the most small-c countries in the world. Tongue

It's why we still have things like the House of Lords, Monarchy and a FPTP electoral system.

I believe the definition of conservatism is very different. Conservatism in Britain is about royalism and was once about slowly moving forward to create principled change. But with the monarchy and House of Lords being more symbolic than anything else, it is much easier to pass radical agendas in the United Kingdom.

In the United States, conservatism is much more related to moralism, small government, and the separation of powers. Small government is already a lost cause in places like Britain and, say, Canada.
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« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2012, 02:37:09 PM »

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Inertia and traditional conservatism in the UK can arguably be seen as one and the same. For better or worse.

England turned out bad because of a rabid and liberal British press.

Hahah what? If anything, the conservative papers were even more critical of him than the left-wing ones!

There's barely such a thing as small-c conservatives in Britain.

Britain is one of the most small-c countries in the world. Tongue

It's why we still have things like the House of Lords, Monarchy and a FPTP electoral system.

Can any of those first two say no to the House of Commons on a major issue? Does anything restrict the ability of the Commons to do something other then precedent and tradition, which are things that can be overturned with a vote of the said body?

The House of Lords, as of now, can vote down Commons passed bills, but this only sends it back to the original chamber to 'rethink'. Usually the government tries, and usually succeeds, in overturning votes by the House of Lords. One example of the Lords causing a government 'rethink' was in 2008 when Gordon Brown had to back down over the 72 (?) day detention without trial bill, it was reduced to 24 days I believe.

The Monarchy technically can veto any bill, but hasn't done since the 1710's or so. So it's a non-factor. Although the Monarch is informed of all major government decisions. If a government goes all Nazi-crazy though, then I presume the Queen would exercise her reserve powers.

To the second question, since Parliament is sovereign, anything can be passed by the Commons, heck even the Scottish Parliament could be legally abolished by the House. While this won't happen, technically, no, nothing restricts the power of the Commons. (A case can be made for EU-made laws overriding UK law, but that's another debate).
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« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2012, 02:38:08 PM »

England turned out bad because of a rabid and liberal British press.

Shows how much you know. Conservatives are dominant in the British media by a country mile.
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« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2012, 02:41:01 PM »

Like I've been saying, I don't consider British conservatives to be the same as American conservatives. Line them up beside Mitt Romney, and they are liberal.

Also, you don't need to be a dick.
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