Whig Party Convention, Bird-in-Hand, PA

[TJ in Oregon]

I agree with JCL... That shouldn't be in our bylaws.

[TJ in Oregon]

I know it's stubborn, but if I become HagridOfTheDeep (IB-SC), I have left the Whigs. SJoyce, you know I love the IB... But I joined the Whigs because that's where I felt I belonged, and I don't want that to change. And other than the membership swaps, I don't really see what this proposition would actually do. TJ and clarence didn't always vote the same, so obviously caucusing together wouldn't really matter; and endorsements don't really matter much either, because people will support who they're going to support. Mechaman didn't vote for any Whig whatsoever!

So to me, this proposition basically reaffirms the status quo with the exception of forcing me to join another party.

For the record, it was nothing personal.  I just had to preference the two joke candidates and SJoyce (since I'm a party hack who takes his marching orders explicitly from the Kremlin, err I mean the Imperial House).  By the time I got to my fifth preference any vote I gave any of you guys would've been non-existent (hell, do they even count votes past fifth preference?).
That, and admittedly there were a lot of kickass candidates to support.  Something that, sadly, would've affected my voting choices .

With that said, I do agree with Hagrid's conclusions (though I am not a Whig, and probably won't ever consider myself one.  Sorry guys ).

You fine principled folks shouldn't have to change for anyone

Actually Mecha you're 5th preference is currently the one that ends up counting actually

[TJ in Oregon]

Guys I'm not sure I like the idea of merging with the IB. It's nothing against the IB; I often do give their candidates high preferences in national elections. But I think both the Whigs and IB have a slightly different appeal. The Whig Party is somewhat ideological and the IB is based on regional interests. These two groups may overlap for the most part, but I think it would cause unnecessary intra-party friction if we merged that can be avoided if we remain separate entities and simply cooperate.

[TJ in Oregon]

[1]Supersonic
[2]20RP12

[TJ in Oregon]

Nay.

I support the federalist system outlined in the constitution instead.

[TJ in Oregon]

Also, is the Whig Liberty Caucus affiliated to the 'official' Whig party? It's acting as a party within a party.

It purports to be. I don't really have a problem with it, but it might be good to clarify the powers of subsidiary caucuses in our rules. Their ability to endorse a candidate isn't really official (a caucus endorsement would not appear on a presidential ballot), so I'd look into specifying that our caucuses would be able to make recommendations for endorsements. Kind of like how senate committees recommend whether or not legislation should be passed.

Hmm. Yes, some guidelines do need to be laid down because at the moment the Whig Liberty Caucus might as well be its own political party, not to mention they are most likely to endorse a non-Whig in the upcoming primary.

I'm also slightly worried that the Caucus is getting more attention that the actual base party. I'd like to see what Clarence thinks of this matter.

I agree... somewhat. Having a separate Liberty Caucus that does not in general endorse Whig candidates could be problematic. However, in this case, we arranged to have a primary with the MCPR and IB, so we shouldn't then try to rig the primary so the Whig candidate wins automatically because there are more members in the Whigs than IB or MCPR. That would make it sort of difficult to work with those other parties. By agreeeing to a 3-way primary, we have defacto agreed already that a candidate from the IB or MCPR would in general be acceptable to us. If the Liberty Caucus begins endorsing non-Whigs over Whigs in a general election, then yes there would be an issue.

[TJ in Oregon]

I've always wanted to have a convention in Truth or Consequences, NM.

[TJ in Oregon]

Does anyone besides Goldwater intend to run for At-Large Senate?

20RP12 clearly did not intend to, Simfan left the party so votes for him are invalid, and JCL never declared he was running for At-Large Senate or voted for himself so votes for him can't be valid either.

So if the vote was for that, no one won

Edit: JCL clearly did. This is a mess. We should throw the vote out and start over.

[TJ in Oregon]

So is Supersonic still the Chairman despite being absent? The election of 20RP12 was for vice-chairman, correct?

I'm fine with a reorganization, just a bit unsure of what the current "organization" for lack of a better term is.