Whig Party Convention, Bird-in-Hand, PA

[Supersonic]

I too would like to echo Goldwater's question.

[Supersonic]

Would the person that wins the Whig primary be allowed to choose a running mate from a different party?

I've intended no prohibition thereof.

Hmm. I support the proposed amendment to the bylaws in that case.

[Supersonic]

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To get the voting rolling, I approve the by-law amendment.

Aye.

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There we go.

Aye. Unless someone else has something to add?

[Supersonic]

This has been voted on for a good 48 hours, shall we consider it passed?

[Supersonic]

I motion that we remove this from the Party Platform:

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It just seems rather, how do I put it... 'wishy-washy'. We already have the multilateral, anti-military conflict and diplomacy clauses on the platform; all of which as an EVUL neocon, I find very 'bleurgh'. Nevertheless, I'm quite sure every Atlasian is 'aware' of their nations foremost role in the world and is therefore naturally 'mindful' of its power.

[Supersonic]

So I'm thinking, how do we reconcile what Hagrid has just with our own significant noninterventist view. It seems like proper defense has always taking a back seat to the combined left's desire for massive domestic programs and I believe that has been to our ill.

Appreciate the comment, JCL. I guess what I'm wondering is, what constitutes a non-interventionalist view, and do a significant number of us actually have one? In an ideal world of Whig majorities, would we go into Iran to pre-empt a nuclear attack?

Also, to clarence: I sure wish I could be as optimistic as you.
For example, conscription would be one of the most unfortunate things in the world, bar the total defeat of Atlasia. Unfortunately, I just don't have faith in 4/5ths or even 2/3rds of the senate to vote for it if we came down to a situation where the survival of our nation would depend on it. That's why I couldn't support the recent amendment.

Am I just more of a "Bush**te" than the rest of the party? I will stand with the Whigs regardless, but I'm curious to see what page we're all on.

No, I wholeheartedly agree with you.

As far as I'm aware by looking at Whig members, the party is split right down the middle on foreign policy. You got the non-interventionist libertarian types, the paleoconservatives and the neo-cons. Hence the 'moderate-hero' esque foreign policy aspects of the Whig platform as a bridge to all sides.

[Supersonic]

Is the Whig Party planning to endorse any non-Whig candidates for the At-Large Senate election?

[Supersonic]

I've taken it upon myself to write up an endorsement ballot.

Non-Whig Endorsement Ballot. 48 Hours. Aye, Nay or Abstain

Franzl (Liberal)

NVTownsend (Liberal)

BaconKing (Liberal)

Seatown (Labor)
 
Snowstalker (Labor)

Marokai Blue (Labor)
 
Xahar ("Национа́льное движе́ние «Алия́ Муста́фина")

Hashemite ("Национа́льное движе́ние «Алия́ Муста́фина")

AndrewTX (Independent)

SJoyceFla (Imperial Bloc)
 

[Supersonic]

Franzl - Nay
NVTownsend  - Aye
BaconKing- Nay
Seatown - Nay
Snowstalker - Abstain
Marokai Blue - Nay
Xahar - Nay
Hashemite - Nay
AndrewTX - Abstain
SJoyceFla - Nay

Edit: SjoyceFla from Aye to Nay due to foreign policy clashes.

Snowstalker from Nay to Abstain.

[Supersonic]

Wow. So it seems our endorsement voting was just completely taken over with this tripe.

[Supersonic]

What are our party's thoughts about a non-binding election pact with the Labor group? I, personally, think we should give, say, our 3rd of 4th preferences to a Labor candidate if they agree to do the same.

I say this as polls seem to show the Liberals winning a God-awful lot of At-Large seats.

[Supersonic]

What are our party's thoughts about a non-binding election pact with the Labor group? I, personally, think we should give, say, our 3rd of 4th preferences to a Labor candidate if they agree to do the same.

I say this as polls seem to show the Liberals winning a God-awful lot of At-Large seats.

Hey, I'm planning on preferencing Clarence and probably Hagrid, and I'm a whole lot closer to the Whigs than Labor is...

I was just putting the idea out there, especially since Snowstalker already came to us the other day suggesting some form of pact/deal.

[Supersonic]

Is the non-whig endorsement voting closed? Its been 48 hours

Yes it has. Out of eight voters, it seems the Party has endorsed:

NVTownsend.
SJoyceFla.
AndrewTX.

Correct me if I'm wrong of course, I'm awfully tired.

[Supersonic]

I say this as polls seem to show the Liberals winning a God-awful lot of At-Large seats.

The polls show Liberal candidates running well among top five preferences. This is, quite clearly, a meaningless statistic. Most voters' third and fourth preferences won't even make much a difference. It's also not very difficult to see why this is the case. The Liberal slate has a reputation for being serious and reasonable people, and ideologically we fit between the other two large parties, the Labor Party and the Whig Party. It is therefore safe to assume that the polls you are looking at do not necessarily reflect what the actual election results will be.

Ah, well, thats good then.

[Supersonic]

Our party should lay out some policy red-lines.

I believe it should be Whig Party policy to oppose the so called "Equal Rights Amendment" going through the Senate right now. I, for one, would also like to commend Senators Clarence and TJ for doing a bang up (aka good) job in the Senate fighting this 'politically correct' nonsense.

[Supersonic]

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ZuWo, Pingvin, Jbrase, PiT, and I worked this arraignment out.

I disapprove. Firstly, despite stating that the two parties are 'legal separate apparatus' etc, allowing Imperial Bloc members to stand for internal Whig Party offices just seems rather off. This effectively gives the Bloc a huge say, if they win a Whig Party position, in influencing nationwide policy, not just southern issues.

Secondly, given that the Imperial Bloc is a regionalist group, I'm sceptical of how many Bloc members there are outside of the south that would be of use to Whig candidates in other regions. On the flip side, our party would in effect, be abandoning a whole region, in which we have made great inroads. The ol' Griffgraph released the other day showed the south trending Whig hard, and to pack up shop and leave now seems ridiculous. Not to mention, if the Whig Party abandons the south, the region, in effect, becomes a one party state.

Also, and this is a more general statement. While 'endorsements' are all well and good, in reality, they do little and people vote for whomever they want and, lets face it, they don't really care what the Party says. Therefore while the intent may be noble, the practical result may not be as intended.

I may be convinced otherwise, but that's just my tuppence for the time being.

Edit: I wrote this when I was quite tired, so bear with.

[Supersonic]

Utterly superb results for our Party in the Senatorial elections! With Clarence and Hagrid in the Senate we can ensure a strong common sense conservative voice for Atlasia. Oh, and of course, congratulations to newly elected Pacific Whig Governor Spamage! Now lets all crack open a glass of the finest Atlasian virtual champagne.
Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!

Edit: The Whig Party is now tied with the Imperial Bloc for largest IDS Party. -claps-

[Supersonic]

Edit: The Whig Party is now tied with the Imperial Bloc for largest IDS Party. -claps-

The Imperial Bloc is the largest IDS party if you discount members of the Whig Party who have been banned. -claps-

Who invited you to the party?

[Supersonic]

Edit: The Whig Party is now tied with the Imperial Bloc for largest IDS Party. -claps-

The Imperial Bloc is the largest IDS party if you discount members of the Whig Party who have been banned. -claps-

Who invited you to the party?

I was here when it started (since page 7)

Security must be lax.

[Supersonic]

Cheers, everyone! Appreciate the support.

Maybe I can get to the senate at some point myself.

I hope you do. Socially conservative voices are woefully represented in Atlasia.

A special welcome to our latest member, TrueConservative of Virginia. Have fun and feel at home in the Whig Party!

Welcome TrueConservative.

[Supersonic]

Actually I think with Koenkai and TrueConservative joining we are, by one person, the largest Party in the country! (Going by Homelycookings latest figures)

It is safe to say that I will probably never win an election ever.

Anyways, what else do I do to get started?

Hey, welcome to the Whig Party.

It seems you're in the Pacific region. Spamage is the Whig Governor-elect of the region and is set on some radical reforms there, so you could drop him a private message. Otherwise, just feel free to join in the banter here.

[Supersonic]

I'll support the Vote of No Confidence for what it's worth, in addition to the the inclusion of the 'autonomy' plank.

On the issue of the Whig/IB Union, I think we should defer the voting so we can continue the discussion of the agreement in full and to soothe the concerns of the Whig IDS regional party.

[Supersonic]

In my mind, the IB and Whig parties already work very well together as is, I don't think this needs to be in writing. Now, I know the Labor Party has begun a concerted effort to establish themselves in the south, however to counter that, our Party and the Bloc can tactically preference each other. In a region of mainly traditional conservatives and libertarians, this shouldn't be too much of an issue.

For the Vote of No Confidence, the tally is 3-0 FOR. (Hagrid, Supersonic, ZuWo)

The 'Autonomy' Platform Amendment is at 1-0 FOR. (Supersonic)

[Supersonic]

Aye