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Re: Do you think Obama believes in Socialism / Do you believe in Socialism?
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July 31, 2012, 06:15:10 pm »
No, only retarded right-wingers think Obama is a socialist.
To the second part, not purely but by American standards probably.
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Holmes
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July 31, 2012, 06:17:13 pm »
The question is phrased strangely. It sounds more like you're asking if Obama believes if socialism exists. Either way, I "believe" in socialism, yes.
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July 31, 2012, 08:37:40 pm »
No/On a good day.
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milhouse24
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July 31, 2012, 08:38:41 pm »
Socialism is a meme.
Its certainly a right wing attack on Obama. But its also embraced by the extreme Liberals everywhere, on this forum, and of the 99%.
socialism may be a pejorative or it may be seen as a good thing.
THere are certainly many liberals that want Obama to be more socialist in his policies and enforcement.
For instance, Universal Health Care is labeled as a socialist policy by both Liberals who strongly believe in it, and by conservatives who want it eliminated.
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Re: Do you think Obama believes in Socialism / Do you believe in Socialism?
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July 31, 2012, 08:41:09 pm »
Hahaha if Obama is a Socialist, then the Republicans are Communists.
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Re: Do you think Obama believes in Socialism / Do you believe in Socialism?
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July 31, 2012, 10:05:20 pm »
Quote from: SoIA morgieb on July 31, 2012, 06:15:10 pm
No, only retarded right-wingers think Obama is a socialist.
Typical liberal...."I am better than you, I am smarter than you."
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Re: Do you think Obama believes in Socialism / Do you believe in Socialism?
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July 31, 2012, 10:10:04 pm »
Quote from: pepper11 on July 31, 2012, 10:05:20 pm
Quote from: SoIA morgieb on July 31, 2012, 06:15:10 pm
No, only retarded right-wingers think Obama is a socialist.
Typical liberal...."I am better than you, I am smarter than you."
No, it's a stupid, stupid, stupid question because it has no baring in reality or fact.
That's nothing to do with politics...
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Re: Do you think Obama believes in Socialism / Do you believe in Socialism?
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August 01, 2012, 01:14:26 am »
no/yes(worker owned production)
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August 01, 2012, 01:26:22 am »
Quote from: Beet on July 31, 2012, 11:56:31 am
Socialism is
government
community ownership over the primary means of production. Does Obama want the government to nationalize FedEx, Apple, WalMart, and Boeing? The question is absurd. Of course not. And no, I do not believe in Socialism. It was discredited decades ago.
Fixed
State socialism is just one way of organizing this, its just the only one that has been tried full scale in a whole country. Modern Socialists mainly prefer non-statist solutions.
To your question "No/No". You tend to use Socialism to name everything you dont like in the same way left wingers use Fascism.
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Lewis Trondheim
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Quote from: DrScholl on July 31, 2012, 06:13:02 pm
Any government spending on services is socialism, period.
What? Ridiculous.
Quote from: milhouse24 on July 31, 2012, 08:38:41 pm
For instance, Universal Health Care is labeled as a socialist policy by both Liberals who strongly believe in it, and by conservatives who want it eliminated.
Not if it's set up to cuddle and benefit private "ensurers". If you must try and find an "ideology" that fits in (something I'd advise against) fascism would be your least ridiculous bet.
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Re: Do you think Obama believes in Socialism / Do you believe in Socialism?
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August 02, 2012, 06:05:08 pm »
Jeez...
Various definitions exist, so ignoring everyone but your own doesn't give you the right to call someone stupid for using a slightly different definition.
according to this list Obama would be a Socialist because he supports government providing every single good/service on the list. He has personally overseen the implementation/expansion of Healthcare, Food, Hosing, and Energy. "Clothing" is the only one without a specific program I'm aware of, but government checks obviously are used/justified for clothing purchases.
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August 02, 2012, 06:07:22 pm »
Where the f*** does Obama say he wants the Government to provide all of that?
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Re: Do you think Obama believes in Socialism / Do you believe in Socialism?
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August 02, 2012, 06:08:22 pm »
He is not a socialist/I am not a socialist
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August 02, 2012, 06:24:17 pm »
I presume that the idiot who drew that graph possess a neckbeard.
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August 02, 2012, 06:29:48 pm »
Quote from: Former President Polnut on August 02, 2012, 06:07:22 pm
Where the f*** does Obama say he wants the Government to provide all of that?
It does to poor people, who shouldn't receive such things under Freedomism, you see.
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Re: Do you think Obama believes in Socialism / Do you believe in Socialism?
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August 02, 2012, 06:30:16 pm »
Quote from: Nathan on August 02, 2012, 06:29:48 pm
Quote from: Former President Polnut on August 02, 2012, 06:07:22 pm
Where the f*** does Obama say he wants the Government to provide all of that?
It does to poor people, who shouldn't receive such things under Freedomism, you see.
Crap... I completely forgot about that!
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Re: Do you think Obama believes in Socialism / Do you believe in Socialism?
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August 02, 2012, 08:17:29 pm »
Do you think Romney believes in Nazism/Do you believe in Nazism?
Grow up.
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Re: Do you think Obama believes in Socialism / Do you believe in Socialism?
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August 02, 2012, 09:30:18 pm »
Quote from: Senator Scott on August 02, 2012, 08:17:29 pm
Do you think Romney believes in Nazism/Do you believe in Nazism?
Grow up.
you would have to meet most socialist requirements to be a Nazi. I don't think Romney meets minimum thresholds of basic definitions, so no/no. I can answer without getting emotionally unhinged. Why can't you?
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Katechon
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Re: Do you think Obama believes in Socialism / Do you believe in Socialism?
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August 02, 2012, 09:43:34 pm »
Obama is a SOCIALIST.
FDR launched Social Security with the New Deal and the National Firearms Act.
LBJ doubled-down with the Great Society and the Gun Control Act.
Obama is doubling down with the massive bailouts and ObamaCare.
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ajb
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Re: Do you think Obama believes in Socialism / Do you believe in Socialism?
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August 02, 2012, 10:11:07 pm »
But it was George W. Bush who nationalized the banking and automotive sectors. Who's the socialist now?
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Yelnoc
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Re: Do you think Obama believes in Socialism / Do you believe in Socialism?
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August 02, 2012, 10:15:54 pm »
Quote from: ajb on August 02, 2012, 10:11:07 pm
But it was George W. Bush who nationalized the banking and automotive sectors. Who's the socialist now?
They were
nationalized
? Whoa, dude. Whoa.
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August 02, 2012, 10:19:34 pm »
I exaggerate slightly, for effect. But seriously, what president in the last forty years has intervened a heavily in the market economy as Bush did in his final months?
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Re: Do you think Obama believes in Socialism / Do you believe in Socialism?
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August 02, 2012, 10:54:37 pm »
Quote from: ajb on August 02, 2012, 10:19:34 pm
I exaggerate slightly, for effect. But seriously, what president in the last forty years has intervened a heavily in the market economy as Bush did in his final months?
Answer: Barack Obama
Quote from: ajb on August 02, 2012, 10:11:07 pm
But it was George W. Bush who nationalized the banking and automotive sectors. Who's the socialist now?
Bush engineered a program where assets would be bought from the banks and sold off for as much as possible (even a profit). Obama turned that into buying equity stakes in the banks and regulating them stupidly.
Obama gave the failing auto companies bailout money (for no reason) as did Bush I believe. Obama than "bought" the companies while trampling over bankruptcy law, sckewing the bondholders, and giving the UAW a large chunk of the pie.
So I think your quote would be true if it read like this:
Quote from: ajb on August 02, 2012, 10:11:07 pm
But it was Barack Obama who nationalized the banking and automotive sectors. Who's the socialist now?
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Re: Do you think Obama believes in Socialism / Do you believe in Socialism?
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Quote from: AmericanNation on August 02, 2012, 09:30:18 pm
Quote from: Senator Scott on August 02, 2012, 08:17:29 pm
Do you think Romney believes in Nazism/Do you believe in Nazism?
Grow up.
you would have to meet most socialist requirements to be a Nazi. I don't think Romney meets minimum thresholds of basic definitions, so no/no. I can answer without getting emotionally unhinged. Why can't you?
Scott doesn't strike me as 'emotionally unhinged'. He's responding to the ridiculousness of the question (and, I'd imagine, also the ridiculousness of using 'socialism' as some sort of moral or conversational equivalent of 'Nazism' or 'fascism' or even 'Soviet communism').
The Nazis were only in the loosest sense socialists, bro.
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Re: Do you think Obama believes in Socialism / Do you believe in Socialism?
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August 03, 2012, 04:12:16 am »
As Nathan said, the purpose for asking that was to underline the absurdity of the question, because in all honestly, the "he's a Nazi, he's a socialist" crap gets old when you've been hearing both sides make those baseless accusations toward each other for ten years. Obama is no more a 'socialist' than Romney is a 'Nazi,' and to be quite honest, the word 'socialist' itself is so vague that simply referring to one as such doesn't mean much of anything. From my own observation, it's generally used as a synonym for 'communist' or 'fascist' or 'Marxist' or what have you, none of which are terms that accurately characterize Obama's ideology.
If Obama's a socialist, so is Bush.
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