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Jean Charest (Parti Libéral du Québec)
4 (14.3%)
Pauline Marois (Parti Québécois)
7 (25%)
François Legault (Coalition Avenir Québec)
4 (14.3%)
Amir Khadir (Québec Solidaire)
13 (46.4%)
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Québec: Preferred Premier/Prime Minister
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Re: Québec: Preferred Premier/Prime Minister
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August 01, 2012, 05:12:20 pm »
That depends on whether or not in this scenario I am Quebécois (or not).
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Quote from: Iatrogenesis on August 01, 2012, 05:12:20 pm
That depends on whether or not in this scenario I am Quebécois (or not).
For me the choice is obvious, Quebecois or not (go Charest!). Although honestly if it was necessary I would support any of the three to stop Khadir.
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Re: Québec: Preferred Premier/Prime Minister
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QS.
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Re: Québec: Preferred Premier/Prime Minister
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August 01, 2012, 05:53:09 pm »
Quote from: Vosem on August 01, 2012, 05:31:35 pm
Quote from: Iatrogenesis on August 01, 2012, 05:12:20 pm
That depends on whether or not in this scenario I am Quebécois (or not).
For me the choice is obvious, Quebecois or not (go Charest!). Although honestly if it was necessary I would support any of the three to stop Khadir.
You're faced with Charest, Marois and Legault and
Khadir
is the the one you'd want to stop?
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Re: Québec: Preferred Premier/Prime Minister
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August 01, 2012, 05:55:32 pm »
Charest, speaking as a Québécois.
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Never thought I'd say this, but I'm praying for another black-yellow majority, and for the SPD to get shattered. It's exactly what it deserves.
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Re: Québec: Preferred Premier/Prime Minister
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Reply #6 on:
August 01, 2012, 05:59:20 pm »
Quote from: Bain Capital on August 01, 2012, 05:53:09 pm
Quote from: Vosem on August 01, 2012, 05:31:35 pm
Quote from: Iatrogenesis on August 01, 2012, 05:12:20 pm
That depends on whether or not in this scenario I am Quebécois (or not).
For me the choice is obvious, Quebecois or not (go Charest!). Although honestly if it was necessary I would support any of the three to stop Khadir.
You're faced with Charest, Marois and Legault and
Khadir
is the the one you'd want to stop?
Throwing shoes at Bush, organizing anti-Israeli boycotts, ranting about the awfulness of neoliberalism. Quebec solidaire includes openly communist and Marxist groups...of course Khadir is the one I want to stop.
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Re: Québec: Preferred Premier/Prime Minister
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Reply #7 on:
August 01, 2012, 06:01:33 pm »
But he doesn't actually stand a chance of becoming Premier so... er...
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Re: Québec: Preferred Premier/Prime Minister
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Reply #8 on:
August 01, 2012, 06:02:46 pm »
Only Charest or Marois have a shot at becoming Premier, and I'd put odds on Charest simply because he's the better campaigner and this election will be won in the campaign.
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Quote from: Peternerdman on December 31, 2012, 03:34:54 pm
Never thought I'd say this, but I'm praying for another black-yellow majority, and for the SPD to get shattered. It's exactly what it deserves.
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Re: Québec: Preferred Premier/Prime Minister
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August 01, 2012, 09:59:27 pm »
Quote from: Comrade Sibboleth on August 01, 2012, 06:01:33 pm
But he doesn't actually stand a chance of becoming Premier so... er...
I know that, but the poll offers him as a choice, so I point out that my support for Charest is conditional on QS having no chance.
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oh Vosem, you poor boy...
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Social score: -6.52
At this rate, I'll lean left economically within a year or so
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Re: Québec: Preferred Premier/Prime Minister
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August 01, 2012, 10:17:05 pm »
QS doesn't have a chance at anything except perhaps siphoning votes away from Marois in places where she'd need them to form government.
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Quote from: Peternerdman on December 31, 2012, 03:34:54 pm
Never thought I'd say this, but I'm praying for another black-yellow majority, and for the SPD to get shattered. It's exactly what it deserves.
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Re: Québec: Preferred Premier/Prime Minister
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August 02, 2012, 01:48:16 am »
PQ is the least bad with the best chance, so Marois.
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Re: Québec: Preferred Premier/Prime Minister
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August 02, 2012, 05:45:02 am »
None of the above, but definitely Charest the Crook.
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Re: Québec: Preferred Premier/Prime Minister
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August 02, 2012, 09:26:14 am »
If I were Quebécois, then Legault, but since I'm not, Khadir, for the reasons Vosem named, plus the fact he may be funding his own militia in Iran.
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Re: Québec: Preferred Premier/Prime Minister
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August 02, 2012, 05:17:14 pm »
Quote from: Vosem on August 01, 2012, 05:59:20 pm
Quote from: Bain Capital on August 01, 2012, 05:53:09 pm
Quote from: Vosem on August 01, 2012, 05:31:35 pm
Quote from: Iatrogenesis on August 01, 2012, 05:12:20 pm
That depends on whether or not in this scenario I am Quebécois (or not).
For me the choice is obvious, Quebecois or not (go Charest!). Although honestly if it was necessary I would support any of the three to stop Khadir.
You're faced with Charest, Marois and Legault and
Khadir
is the the one you'd want to stop?
Throwing shoes at Bush, organizing anti-Israeli boycotts, ranting about the awfulness of neoliberalism. Quebec solidaire includes openly communist and Marxist groups...of course Khadir is the one I want to stop.
Well, sign me up? Especially since I don't support Charest or separatists.
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September 04, 2012, 10:19:29 am »
Definitely worth a bump.
I just voted Legault, despite hating all three. I'd vote Liberal or CAQ in my riding, depending on who's more likely to win.
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Re: Québec: Preferred Premier/Prime Minister
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Reply #16 on:
September 04, 2012, 11:07:04 am »
To attempt to answer this question is difficult. I would vote against the Liberal candidate wherever I happened to live, I suspect.
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Re: Québec: Preferred Premier/Prime Minister
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September 04, 2012, 11:13:35 am »
I'll take the Liberals, corrupt as they are, over anti-Anglophone bigots. Voted Khadir though.
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I'll take the Liberals, corrupt as they are, over anti-Anglophone bigots. Voted Khadir though.
Sort've my thinking.
This is such a messed up election and i'm so glad i'm not a Quebecois today.
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September 04, 2012, 11:19:29 am »
The language laws are supported by all major parties in Quebec.
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Re: Québec: Preferred Premier/Prime Minister
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September 04, 2012, 11:28:37 am »
I cannot stomach any of the three major parties, so I picked Khadir. Though, I would probably not vote QS either. Im supporting the UCQ in ridings where they are running, and then the Greens and
then
QS. But, I don't live in Quebec and thus don't have that dilemna.
Interestingly, my friend's parents are voting QS (they live in the Pontiac riding). His mom showed up to his birthday party with an orange "Debout" pin. Didn't say QS on it, so I didnt realize it was political til later. It's strange because my friend is pretty right wing, and his parents don't seem that left wing. But, they're public servants.
I have debated moving to Quebec in the past. The rent there is cheaper, and I could get my drivers licenced bumped up without taking another test.
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Quote from: Comrade Sibboleth on September 04, 2012, 11:19:29 am
The language laws are supported by all major parties in Quebec.
This cannot be stressed enough. I understand, us being mostly anglophone around these parts, but the reason these laws exist have their history and their purpose, and making the decision, even as an outsider, to vote for someone or not in this poll based solely on "anglophone bigotry" is shallower than shallow.
PQ are interested in silly petty games with the federal government to boost support for sovereignty and to play the victim a lot. They're also a (reasonably) progressive party that doesn't want to shaft all of the students with absurd tuition raises (PLQ) or starve the public sector, including Hydro-Quebec, for no reason other than ideological ones (CAQ), and are at least the most coherent and consistent of the three main parties (particularly, more than the CAQ).
At the end of the day, the PQ is a Social Democratic party with a Nationalist bent. That's all there really is to it. Sovereignty is almost certainly not going anywhere, and given that all of the other parties support the status-quo when it comes to language, the PQ isn't, effectively, going to be that much more nationalist in
policy
than the others, aside from a few token anti-Harper fits. Let's all save the cheap shots (such as comparing them to Front National...) and stupid "Pauline Marois is just like Hitler, she hates us anglos, she wants to put us in camps, i'm no jew!" stuff for YouTube comments.
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Khadir ideally, but I'd vote PQ.
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Re: Québec: Preferred Premier/Prime Minister
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Quote from: Marokai Béliqueux on September 04, 2012, 03:37:58 pm
At the end of the day, the PQ is a Social Democratic party with a
Racist
bent. That's all there really is to it.
Fixed. Quebec has never been a friendly place for visible minorities and considering Marois's embarrassing double-standard on religious symbols and then further considering she's what passes for a "moderate" in the PQ, it will probably continue to be such a place.
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Yawn. Calling it racist is Not Getting It.
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