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« on: August 05, 2012, 04:02:02 pm »
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19135435#

Obviously it's wrong to murder a human being, though it's hard to not sympathize with the miners.
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2012, 04:20:00 pm »
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Well, not really surprising, through events shouldn't reach that point in the modern world.
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2012, 06:34:06 pm »
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Manager, not owner. I'm sure the owners of the mine are still sitting pretty in China.
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2012, 07:18:46 pm »
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Obviously it's wrong to murder a human being, though it's hard to not sympathize with the miners.

I succeeded. Obviously a minimum wage is a key part of the sort of thing governments should do, and it should be enforced, but the very idea of strikers killing businessmen leaves a horrible taste in my mouth. Thankfully in the country where I live this sort of thing doesn't happen.
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2012, 07:22:29 pm »
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Obviously it's wrong to murder a human being, though it's hard to not sympathize with the miners.

I succeeded. Obviously a minimum wage is a key part of the sort of thing governments should do, and it should be enforced, but the very idea of strikers killing businessmen leaves a horrible taste in my mouth. Thankfully in the country where I live this sort of thing doesn't happen.

You really are completely and across the board in favor of established interests and power, aren't you?
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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2012, 07:22:42 pm »
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Last year, the Zambian government dropped charges against two Chinese managers accused of attempted murder after they fired on miners at the Collum mine during a pay dispute.

Good for the miners, vigilante justice can be the only recourse when the system is stacked against you, the litigation system is broken and you aren't given basic human rights.
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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2012, 07:29:24 pm »
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I'm with Snow here.
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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2012, 07:34:25 pm »
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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2012, 08:56:56 pm »
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I'm with Snow here.
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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2012, 01:34:36 am »
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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2012, 01:37:32 am »
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Freedom fighters.
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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2012, 03:31:43 pm »
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Freedom fighters.

Now if the Chinese slaves would rise up and kill those above them in China, and the American ones in America, and so forth.  I suppose it isn't impossible.
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« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2012, 03:52:53 pm »
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Freedom fighters.

Now if the Chinese slaves would rise up and kill those above them in China, and the American ones in America, and so forth.  I suppose it isn't impossible.

They should start in Thailand first.
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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2012, 09:49:07 pm »
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Freedom fighters.

Now if the Chinese slaves would rise up and kill those above them in China, and the American ones in America, and so forth.  I suppose it isn't impossible.
It's a good question of whether American slaves could rise up, considering they have all been exported to china or contained in certain neighborhoods.
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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2012, 10:53:20 pm »
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Obviously it's wrong to murder a human being, though it's hard to not sympathize with the miners.

I succeeded. Obviously a minimum wage is a key part of the sort of thing governments should do, and it should be enforced, but the very idea of strikers killing businessmen leaves a horrible taste in my mouth. Thankfully in the country where I live this sort of thing doesn't happen.

You really are completely and across the board in favor of established interests and power, aren't you?

Actually I was a little amazed by the first half of his second sentence.  The monocle seems to be slipping.
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Now if the Chinese slaves would rise up and kill those above them in China, and the American ones in America, and so forth.  I suppose it isn't impossible.

They should start in Thailand first.

Heheh, you mean I should rise up against the ladies I pay out loads of money to each month?
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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2012, 11:29:13 am »
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Obviously it's wrong to murder a human being, though it's hard to not sympathize with the miners.

I succeeded. Obviously a minimum wage is a key part of the sort of thing governments should do, and it should be enforced, but the very idea of strikers killing businessmen leaves a horrible taste in my mouth. Thankfully in the country where I live this sort of thing doesn't happen.

You really are completely and across the board in favor of established interests and power, aren't you?

Being opposed to the murder in cold blood of businessmen isn't to do with being in favour of established interests and power.
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« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2012, 12:02:11 pm »
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They should have captured and detained the bloke - the killing cannot be justified and forfeits at least in part some of the miners' moral high ground. Though I sympathize and more closely align with the Zambian miners than the management and mostly agree with Politicus when it comes to the exploitation of Africans by the PRC, shedding blood is nevertheless very poor form.
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« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2012, 01:09:32 pm »
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Now if the Chinese slaves would rise up and kill those above them in China, and the American ones in America, and so forth.  I suppose it isn't impossible.

They should start in Thailand first.

Heheh, you mean I should rise up against the ladies I pay out loads of money to each month?

You're not one of the slaves, and I thought one reason you liked the place was that you didn't have to pay as much.
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« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2012, 03:23:41 pm »
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Zambia drops Chinese bosses' mine shooting charges

The Zambian government has dropped charges against two Chinese managers accused of attempted murder after firing on miners during a pay dispute.

Xiao Li Shan and Wu Jiu Hua said the workers' behaviour, at the Collum coal mine in October, had been threatening. The shooting left at least 11 injured.

China has invested more than $400m (£250m) in the copper-rich country.

But companies have faced regular opposition from workers and union leaders over abuses and low wages.

Mr Xiao and Mr Wu had opened fire indiscriminately on their employees at the mine in Sinazongwe to break up a protest, according to police.

Following the decision to drop the charges, their defence lawyer, George Chisanga, said Zambian law meant the state did not have to give an explanation and the pair could still be called back to court by the director of public prosecutions.

Reuben Lifuka, the president of anti-corruption group Transparency International Zambia, warned the move could damage confidence in Zambia's judicial system.

"The trauma and injustice that the mine workers suffered is public knowledge and the government itself has on several occasion reprimanded the managers of coal mine on the poor working conditions," he said.

Same mine.
 
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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2012, 10:12:45 am »
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I beg to differ. Look into the methods used by oil companies in Nigeria.
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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2012, 02:58:15 pm »
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Zambia drops Chinese bosses' mine shooting charges

The Zambian government has dropped charges against two Chinese managers accused of attempted murder after firing on miners during a pay dispute.

Xiao Li Shan and Wu Jiu Hua said the workers' behaviour, at the Collum coal mine in October, had been threatening. The shooting left at least 11 injured.

China has invested more than $400m (£250m) in the copper-rich country.

But companies have faced regular opposition from workers and union leaders over abuses and low wages.

Mr Xiao and Mr Wu had opened fire indiscriminately on their employees at the mine in Sinazongwe to break up a protest, according to police.

Following the decision to drop the charges, their defence lawyer, George Chisanga, said Zambian law meant the state did not have to give an explanation and the pair could still be called back to court by the director of public prosecutions.

Reuben Lifuka, the president of anti-corruption group Transparency International Zambia, warned the move could damage confidence in Zambia's judicial system.

"The trauma and injustice that the mine workers suffered is public knowledge and the government itself has on several occasion reprimanded the managers of coal mine on the poor working conditions," he said.

Same mine.
 

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« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2012, 06:55:48 pm »
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Obviously it's wrong to murder a human being, though it's hard to not sympathize with the miners.

I succeeded. Obviously a minimum wage is a key part of the sort of thing governments should do, and it should be enforced, but the very idea of strikers killing businessmen leaves a horrible taste in my mouth. Thankfully in the country where I live this sort of thing doesn't happen.

You really are completely and across the board in favor of established interests and power, aren't you?

Being opposed to the murder in cold blood of businessmen isn't to do with being in favour of established interests and power.

I'm opposed to it because it's people killing people. Vosem seems to care an inordinate amount about the positions of the people in question.

So in essence I agree with Redalgo.
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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2012, 05:27:56 am »
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Now if the Chinese slaves would rise up and kill those above them in China, and the American ones in America, and so forth.  I suppose it isn't impossible.

They should start in Thailand first.

Heheh, you mean I should rise up against the ladies I pay out loads of money to each month?

So, when you're paying people for their work they're exploiting you but in all other instances when someone gets paid it's the people getting paid who are exploited?
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« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2012, 10:44:25 am »
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You're not one of the slaves, and I thought one reason you liked the place was that you didn't have to pay as much.

Well, compared to the price of other things, and normal salaries, working girls are much more expensive here - say $35 baht for a high-quality 1-3 hours, compared to a normal working-class wage of about $10/day.  In the US you'd pay $200 for the same service, and a normal working class wage is nearly $100/day. 

Heheh, you mean I should rise up against the ladies I pay out loads of money to each month?

So, when you're paying people for their work they're exploiting you but in all other instances when someone gets paid it's the people getting paid who are exploited?

It was a joke, buddy.  The serious implication is, of course, that in terms of repeat visits this kind of thing becomes a rather personal relationship..  Just like the case of gold-digging wives in the US, it isn't always so clear who is exploiting who or who has the 'power'.   
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