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« on: August 06, 2012, 02:17:57 pm »
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just throwing this out there for your consideration

there's 7 cities and 3 CDP east of Los Angeles of 12823 to 126496 people. The cities are Bell, Bell Gardens, Commerce, Cudahy, Huntington Park, Maywood, South Gate and the CDP are East LA, Florence-Graham, and Walnut Park. The 5 largest cities/areas are East LA, South Gate, Florence-Graham, Huntington Park and Bell Gardens.

The combined population is 499931. Of those, 476239 are Hispanic (95.2%). Such a city would be the 5th largest in California (between San Francisco and Fresno). It'd be bordered by Los Angeles, Vernon, Monterey Park, Montebello, Downey, Lynwood, and Paramount



Obviously combining 10 entities at all, and combining entities with a reputation for corruption would be unlikely. That, and the issue of the debt and pensions owed by the former municipalities would be uncertain.

Another reality is that Vernon, CA avoided disincorporation by agreeing to pay out $60M to community programs in the surrounding cities involved in this idea.

So, what would be preferable, a bunch of smaller heavily Hispanic cities, or one large 95% Hispanic city right next to Los Angeles which includes the largest CDP (under the LA County banner) in the County?
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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2012, 08:29:10 pm »
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i think it would be good to consolidate them. I might also add that you should add maywood to that list as it is notorious for being very corrupt.
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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2012, 09:42:26 pm »
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i think it would be good to consolidate them. I might also add that you should add maywood to that list as it is notorious for being very corrupt.

plus Maywood already fired all their city employees.

Not sure if merging multiple financial problem municipalities leads to one financial problem municipality or it all cancels each other out
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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2012, 09:55:52 pm »
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Bell Gardens is a clear step up, for that downmarket zone. It would totally freak out. And Maywood is the ultimate pit (I once was chatting with an Hispanic worker that lived there, and he lived with 9 other people in a one bedroom apartment, which means it's hot bedding city), that no one would want. East LA is moving on up, and they would not want to part of any of them - except at the opposite end Bell Gardens.

The place used to be packed with Bushie's relatives. It may have had more Okies than Oklahoma City back when. Smiley

Oh Commerce, which has far more commerce (including card casinos galore) than people - by design, and is almost for the relatively few folks it has, up a step also - maybe two steps. They would secede from the state. It just ain't happening.
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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2012, 10:53:26 pm »
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Bell Gardens is a clear step up, for that downmarket zone. It would totally freak out. And Maywood is the ultimate pit (I once was chatting with an Hispanic worker that lived there, and he lived with 9 other people in a one bedroom apartment, which means it's hot bedding city), that no one would want. East LA is moving on up, and they would not want to part of any of them - except at the opposite end Bell Gardens.

The place used to be packed with Bushie's relatives. It may have had more Okies than Oklahoma City back when. Smiley

Oh Commerce, which has far more commerce (including card casinos galore) than people - by design, and is almost for the relatively few folks it has, up a step also - maybe two steps. They would secede from the state. It just ain't happening.

so just merge Bell, Cudahy and Maywood into a super-"corrupt city officials" city?

My idea originally put Lynwood and Paramount in that city too
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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2012, 11:56:59 am »
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Still can't understand why so many metros feel the need for so many municipalities. It's nice to see my hometown doing things reasonably for a change.
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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2012, 01:24:51 pm »
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I would not like to live or work in that district.
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2012, 12:53:49 am »

Still can't understand why so many metros feel the need for so many municipalities. It's nice to see my hometown doing things reasonably for a change.

In NE IL there are 273 municipalities representing about 8 M residents. Chicago is about a third of that population.
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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2012, 02:59:21 pm »
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I spent my early childhood in this district, and so I'm very familiar with it. And there is a strong difference between the northern part, (East Los Angeles and Commerce) and the southern part. The southern part is pretty ghetto, almost entirely residential. But the northern part has a new light rail line, a casino, and many businesses. In fact, East Los Angeles is in the early stages of gentrification. Also, East Los Angeles is unincorporated, the rest of the districts are all cities.

I've always thought that Los Angeles should just annex East Los Angeles.
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2012, 12:20:36 pm »
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I spent my early childhood in this district, and so I'm very familiar with it. And there is a strong difference between the northern part, (East Los Angeles and Commerce) and the southern part. The southern part is pretty ghetto, almost entirely residential. But the northern part has a new light rail line, a casino, and many businesses. In fact, East Los Angeles is in the early stages of gentrification. Also, East Los Angeles is unincorporated, the rest of the districts are all cities.

I've always thought that Los Angeles should just annex East Los Angeles.

with the exception of East LA which was always hispanic, the communities of SG, HP, BG, Bell, etc were all majority white as late as the 1970 census. If you look at this link you will find that there was a massive change in those area between 1970 and 1980:

http://www.aztlan.net/maps/1970.jpg
http://www.aztlan.net/maps/1980.jpg
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2012, 12:53:06 pm »
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Still can't understand why so many metros feel the need for so many municipalities. It's nice to see my hometown doing things reasonably for a change.

In NE IL there are 273 municipalities representing about 8 M residents. Chicago is about a third of that population.

And dividing a metro area into 273 municipalities, each with their own local bureaucracy, doesn't seem crazy to you?
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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2012, 09:41:58 pm »

Still can't understand why so many metros feel the need for so many municipalities. It's nice to see my hometown doing things reasonably for a change.

In NE IL there are 273 municipalities representing about 8 M residents. Chicago is about a third of that population.

And dividing a metro area into 273 municipalities, each with their own local bureaucracy, doesn't seem crazy to you?

It's not about dividing the area, it's mostly about communities that were around for a long time with rural space between. Relatively few were new suburbs entirely created post WWII. However since then they all grew to the point where their borders touched. For example, in this 1874 map a majority of the DuPage communities are already present, primarily as stops along the rail lines.

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