SENATE BILL: Antarctic Incorporation Act (Failed)
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« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2012, 02:06:47 PM »
Quote from: Averroës Nix on August 15, 2012, 11:23:35 AM
Quote from: IDS Legislator SJoyceFla on August 15, 2012, 07:00:59 AM
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You guys are prepared to risk ending a decades-long period of stability and international cooperation over fishing rights?

Do you have any proof that this would end a decades-long period of stability and international cooperation? That didn't happen when the British claimed land in 1917, when New Zealand did in 1923, France in 1956, Australia in 1933, Chile in 1961, Norway in 1939, or Argentina in 1904 (bolded are most recent). Why would it happen with us?

There's a reason why no further claims have been made during the last sixty years: It would be violation of the Antarctic Treaty, which entered into force in June of 1961. Atlasia, along with the seven nations that you mention, was among the original signatories.

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Source: http://www.nsf.gov/od/opp/antarct/anttrty.jsp

A treaty under which we (as well as the Russians) reserved our right to claim a portion of Antarctica.
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« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2012, 05:21:36 PM »
Quote from: Averroës Nix on August 15, 2012, 02:34:56 PM
I'm aware of our reserved right to claim territory, but it's unclear to me exactly what it means and on what basis we justify excepting ourselves from Article IV. Furthermore, under the other terms of the treaty, our claim would be just as symbolic and impotent as earlier claims made by Chile, France, etc.

It means that if we so wish, we can claim territory below the 60th parallel under Article IV of the Treaty. The treaty says that it specifically isn't a renunciation of our basis of claim to sovereignty (and we certainly have a basis to such); as such, it's legally okay, so under the other terms of the treaty our claim would be just as symbolic and impotent as the current claims of Australia, France, New Zealand, Norway, etc.

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« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2012, 07:32:50 PM »
Should I open a vote on this SJoyce?
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« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2012, 07:38:05 PM »

If nobody else has any questions/suggestions for amendments, we can.
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« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2012, 06:55:46 PM »
Wasn't expecting to miss yesterday, but even with the extra time, no one has open their traps on this so,


Senators this is now at final vote, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
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« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2012, 06:57:06 PM »
Had we been further along with the committees, we could have investigated the impact of this on foreign relations and other related issues that have recently been brought up here. Sadly, the timing didn't allow for it this.
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« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2012, 07:03:41 PM »
Aye.
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« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2012, 07:37:39 PM »
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« Reply #33 on: August 18, 2012, 07:46:59 PM »
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« Reply #34 on: August 18, 2012, 10:46:51 PM »
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« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2012, 06:15:15 PM »
Abstain for now.
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« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2012, 06:34:51 PM »
Only five votes? WTF! Angry
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« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2012, 07:08:46 PM »

If nobody else votes, does it auto-pass? Tongue
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« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2012, 07:11:56 PM »

2-2-1 is a tie vote and Kalwejt would get to break it.
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« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2012, 07:22:58 PM »
Nay

I don't think this is worth the risk of international instability over.
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« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2012, 12:58:19 PM »
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« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2012, 08:07:34 PM »
I change my vote to Aye, but I do have some concerns. My hope is that SoEA Kalwejt will keep us and especially the National Security Committee abrest of events relating to this and if the need arises we can make changes.
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« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2012, 08:20:43 PM »
CAN WE GET SOME MORE GOD DAMN VOTES ON THIS OR DO WE HAVE TO TKAE A WHOLE DAMNE WEEK FOR THIS?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #43 on: August 23, 2012, 10:49:34 PM »
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« Reply #44 on: August 25, 2012, 01:04:47 PM »
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CAN WE GET SOME MORE GOD DAMN VOTES ON THIS OR DO WE HAVE TO TKAE A WHOLE DAMN WEEK FOR THIS?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's still 4-4.
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« Reply #45 on: August 26, 2012, 01:48:41 AM »
Vote on Final Passage of the Antartic Incorporation Act:

Aye (4): Ben, Clarence, NC Yankee, Scott
Nay (4): Redalgo, sbane, Seatown and TJ in Cleve
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (2): Andrew joins up with Worms on his Farewell Tour

The vote is tied and thus the Vice President is required to break the tie, with time having elapsed.
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« Reply #46 on: August 26, 2012, 06:09:12 AM »
Yankee, it's "Didn't Vote (1):", because we no longer have a Wormyguy in the Senate.


Remember Kal, the official line of the administration is steadfast support for this bill, so don't go against your own administration Tongue
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« Reply #47 on: August 26, 2012, 07:18:25 PM »
Quote from: IDS Legislator SJoyceFla on August 26, 2012, 06:09:12 AM
Yankee, it's "Didn't Vote (1):", because we no longer have a Wormyguy in the Senate.

I have my reasons for doing that. He was a still a member when the vote started and thus could have voted right up until he was officially expelled.
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« Reply #48 on: August 26, 2012, 07:24:01 PM »
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Quote from: IDS Legislator SJoyceFla on August 26, 2012, 06:09:12 AM
Yankee, it's "Didn't Vote (1):", because we no longer have a Wormyguy in the Senate.

I have my reasons for doing that. He was a still a member when the vote started and thus could have voted right up until he was officially expelled.

Ah. Makes sense.
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« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2012, 09:52:45 PM »
I'd advise the VP and the president to veto this bill, to risk avoiding further controversy.
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