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« on: August 11, 2012, 09:07:04 PM »

This piece covers the idea that Romney's campaign already is of the persuasion that this presidential race is lost and that any hope for the moderate wing of the Republican Party rests in picking someone who will be perceived as tanking this campaign as Sarah Palin did in 2008 - albeit with a less reckless approach.

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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2012, 09:11:02 PM »

Yeah, I don't really buy it. I think on fiscal matters Romney might be just that conservative.
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2012, 09:13:39 PM »

This piece covers the idea that Romney's campaign already is of the persuasion that this presidential race is lost and that any hope for the moderate wing of the Republican Party rests in picking someone who will be perceived as tanking this campaign as Sarah Palin did in 2008 - albeit with a less reckless approach.

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Romney knew his campaign was doomed so he chose a scapegoat from the branch of his party in an effort to escape blame? That's ridiculous. Romney chose Ryan because he believed that Ryan complements his overall economic agenda/message, whether or not that belief is valid.
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2012, 09:21:49 PM »

There's no way that the Romney campaign is sitting a few points back with two and a half months to go and spending all of their time and putting all of their effort into a gigantic face-saving act. The suggestion itself is immensely stupid, which is par for the course with the New Republic (I'm surprised they still exist, honestly).

More likely Romney realized that a) he has an awkward relationship with the conservative base yet doesn't want to scare independents, b) he has trouble articulating a cohesive economic program, and c) he's an out-of-touch bazillionaire. What helps solve those problems? Picking an articulate, middle class conservative who is respected by, but not of, the Tea Party. Oh how silly to think that could be true...
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2012, 06:38:22 AM »

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It's an insurance plan.

If Romney wins - he'll give himself credit.

If Romney loses, he now has a convenient scapegoat.

Romney will do the same thing that McCain did to Palin when he lost - scapegoat her, and 2 years from now - everyone will be in agreement that Ryan was worse than Palin.
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2012, 06:40:31 AM »

Not outlandishly Conservative enough. Maybe if he had picked Louie Gohmert.
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2012, 08:26:37 AM »

More likely Romney realized that a) he has an awkward relationship with the conservative base yet doesn't want to scare independents,

This pick will scare independents.

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Paul Ryan is not middle class...
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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2012, 09:04:31 AM »

More likely Romney realized that a) he has an awkward relationship with the conservative base yet doesn't want to scare independents,

This pick will scare independents.

You would say that about any pick he made. You're a hack, that's what hacks do. He's not Bachmann, Rand Paul, Coburn, DeMint, Palin, etc. He doesn't have an abrasive personality like Christie. He doesn't on his own turn off anyone that wasn't already turned off by Romney. Whether Mr. Hope and Change decides to bombard the airwaves with attack ads about the guy is immaterial. He would have done that with anyone, and it was always going to work. Negative ads and boatloads of money almost always work, but Obama didn't tell the electorate that in 08....


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Paul Ryan is not middle class...
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A lot closer to middle class than millionaire Obama is. He lives off of a Rep's income (170k), with a stay at home wife and three kids, and trips to and from Washington every week.
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2012, 09:25:59 AM »
« Edited: August 12, 2012, 09:27:51 AM by Mideast Governor ZuWo »

I don't believe it. It would be foolish of Romney to think that this election is lost. Just remember the last presidential election, which was basically decided by the economic downturn in late September/beginning of October. So much can still happen between now and November, and I guess Romney is very well aware of that.
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2012, 12:36:10 PM »

More likely Romney realized that a) he has an awkward relationship with the conservative base yet doesn't want to scare independents,

This pick will scare independents.

You would say that about any pick he made. You're a hack, that's what hacks do. He's not Bachmann, Rand Paul, Coburn, DeMint, Palin, etc. He doesn't have an abrasive personality like Christie. He doesn't on his own turn off anyone that wasn't already turned off by Romney. Whether Mr. Hope and Change decides to bombard the airwaves with attack ads about the guy is immaterial. He would have done that with anyone, and it was always going to work. Negative ads and boatloads of money almost always work, but Obama didn't tell the electorate that in 08....


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Paul Ryan is not middle class...

A lot closer to middle class than millionaire Obama is. He lives off of a Rep's income (170k), with a stay at home wife and three kids, and trips to and from Washington every week.

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You do realize that his wife is loaded right? Paul Ryan is extremely wealthy and it's estimated to go up into the millions by Politico. Obama is a best selling author and POTUS, of course he's wealthy.
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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2012, 12:40:43 PM »

Ryan Ranks As Top House Fundraiser With Backing By Banks
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2012, 12:48:52 PM »

This wet dream that Romney has already thrown in the towel is ridiculous. I keep hearing it all over the internet, but isn't it a bit early for either campaign to start predicting the outcome?

I'm guessing that Romney right now is thinking that things will turn around after the convention and after he starts all out attacking Obama on the airwaves. The Romney pattern seems to be that he's down initially then carpet bombs his opponents into submission in the home stretch. I don't think this will work, but I'm sure Romney nor his campaign has not given up.
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2012, 01:02:47 PM »

No. Ryan is a mandate for Romney to govern once in office because every issue would be considered touched including entitlements concerning the budget. Now will Romney make bold reforms, no, will he make reforms, probably not, but then he has an opportunity and reason to do something if he decides he wants to be useful in office. They are comfortable with each other, and while conservatives like Ryan, he is very much the establishment. If he wanted to blame the tea party he should have picked Rubio, West, Palin, or someone of that nature.
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