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Question: Between the three official candidate cities,
Istanbul   -25 (40.3%)
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Tokyo   -33 (53.2%)
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« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2012, 07:36:55 pm »
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I'd say Tokyo. Madrid, after bidding several times, is not likely to host it. Tokyo has the best chance because the games will be in Asia, which will make sense after the games being held in Asia, Europe, and South America this time around.
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« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2012, 07:47:32 pm »
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I'm hoping Istanbul.
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« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2012, 07:54:59 pm »
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I doubt the IOC will let Madrid host it, since having the games in two western European cities in a row might look bad.  Tokyo is a strong contender, but I wonder how the damage from the Tsunami and subsequent nuclear leak will effect their bid.  Istanbul I think would be great.  Though on European soil, it sits at a crossroads between the civilizations of Europe and the Near East.  It would be the first Muslim-majority nation to host an Olympics (that I am aware of), and the IOC likes firsts.  Paris will probably win 2024, but I don't think Istanbul 2020 would hinder that because of the idea certain people have that Turkey is not "European."

So my vote is for Istanbul.
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« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2012, 08:17:43 pm »
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Madrid or Paris deserved to host THESE Olympic Games, BTW.

What makes you say that?

They were the favourites, and did everything to host them. Everybody believed it'd be one of them. But then, IOC politics, as usual, decided London would host the Olympics. Nothing more.

Hughento, if Istambul or Tokyo are chosen over Madrid, it won't be because they're better cities to host the Olympics. As I've said, we have over 80% of the infraestructure already built (so some of the economic problems stuff about Madrid doesn't even make sense), we are a safe city, with a good transportation/communication system, Madrid'2020 has social support, we have the hotels needed...We have everything the IOC wants in a host city. If they don't choose us it'll be because we're not 'exotic' enough, as I've said before. IOC is a corrupt organization, since Samaranch. Samaranch is part of the problem, of course. Now, they IOC is full of dumbs who don't give a damn about the best host for the Olympics, and only vote based on politics/popularity/personal interests... I see no reason to believe Tokyo or Istambul is better than Madrid. They may be cooler, I'm sure.
And, finally, I'm not sure I want Madrid to win this thing. It would probably mean a huge win for Gallardon and Ana Botella (mayor of Madrid and wife of Aznar), and minor wins for Mariano Rajoy and Esperanza Aguirre, the person I hate the most in the World.


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« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2012, 08:44:45 pm »
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Anyone who supports the Madrid bid is a Madrid hack. Istanbul is the statement choice, Tokyo is the secure choice, and there's no room for anything else. 2000 Sydney was secure. 2004, Athens was statement. 2008, Beijing was both. 2012, London was secure, 2016 Rio is statement. If you're not secure, and you're not, you need to have a key point of difference, which you don't have, and certainly don't have to the same level as Istanbul. You might be the second most secure, although I personally doubt even that, but you're the weakest statement, and you're out of the running.

I'm sure they'd be great games if Madrid does host them, but you won't.



Beijing was pure statement. Toronto would have been the secure choice. *still bitter*
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« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2012, 11:13:03 pm »
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Hear, hear.

My vote is for Istanbul. I think it would be really neat to see and will be a totally different games from anything we've seen in the last couple decades.

As for games beyond that... I'm really hoping Quebec City gets the winter games sometime. Toronto could also get the summer games, but who knows. As long as we get them at least one more time before I die, I'll be happy.
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« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2012, 11:48:44 pm »
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Tokyo. Istanbul only if Turkey gets into the EU by voting time.
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« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2012, 12:26:12 am »
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Most likely Tokyo, but Istanbul has a shot at hosting the first Islamic Olympic Games.

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« Reply #33 on: August 08, 2012, 03:14:06 am »
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Most likely Tokyo, but Istanbul has a shot at hosting the first Islamic Olympic Games.

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In '84 Sarajevo was one big happy multicultural city.  It was not Islamic as far as perceptions went.
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« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2012, 06:38:12 am »
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I'd love to see the games back downunder, and I know Melbourne could host the games at a month's notice (well, maybe 3). Brisbane wants to bid for 2024, and both Brisbane and Melbourne are considering 2028, but realistically Brisbane has no chance full stop, and Melbourne is behind, at minimum, one north american, one asian, one african and two european games.

Ideally for us, the next few hosts would be along the lines of Istanbul-US (San Francisco?)-Paris-Tokyo-South Africa (Cape Town?)-Russia (Moscow?), & then we'd be next in line along with the Americas, probably ahead of Asia, maybe something like Toronto-Australia-Shanghai, then back to Europe.

Which is a long way in to the future, so obviously a useless prefiction, but there is a loose order. Europe winning these games kind of messed the order up though, 2012 was meant to be the Americas, then 2016 for Europe. Cape Town would've been an unbackable favourite if it was wedged between a European 2016 and Japan in 2024, but the IOC went with Sth America first, and not inappropriately.
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« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2012, 09:22:03 am »
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If Tokyo gets the games, 2024 is guaranteed for Europe, and probably Paris, although the Germans, Russians and Turks will probably bid again, and maybe the Italians and Spaniards, and then 2028 for the Americas, most likely the US (who would be in the box seat for the 2022 winter games).

The US isn't bidding for the 2022 winter games.  From Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Winter_Olympics

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« Reply #36 on: August 08, 2012, 09:35:20 am »
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I think the no-bid thing was more because Rogge and the USOac aren't friends, but with his impending retirement, don't count America out, particularly a Lake Tahoe based bid, whether Reno or Sacramento. I can't remember the details, but I think Nevada comissioned a study as recently as last November.
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« Reply #37 on: August 08, 2012, 09:42:40 am »
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Tokyo. Istanbul only if Turkey gets into the EU by voting time.

Not going to happen.  Europe has too many xenophobes and Turkey is refocusing it's policy towards the middle east.  But why would that be a deciding factor for you?
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« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2012, 01:41:06 pm »
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Tokyo. Istanbul only if Turkey gets into the EU by voting time.

Not going to happen.  Europe has too many xenophobes and Turkey is refocusing it's policy towards the middle east.  But why would that be a deciding factor for you?

Besides, if Turkey is seen as too European, it has no shot at 2020.  The 2020 games never had a chance at being a European games.
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« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2012, 01:04:08 pm »
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Madrid or Paris deserved to host THESE Olympic Games, BTW.

What makes you say that?
He's Madrilene, you see.

There hasn't been anything of the kind in Madrid for a long time, but there has been in Barcelona. Can't have that. I am quite convinced that is at least 75% of the reason Madrid is persevering with another bid after the 2012 failure.
My vote is for Istanbul. I think it would be really neat to see and will be a totally different games from anything we've seen in the last couple decades.
I doubt you'd see much difference. Especially since we, um, had games in Athens recently.
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« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2012, 05:43:06 pm »
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Madrid or Paris deserved to host THESE Olympic Games, BTW.

What makes you say that?
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There hasn't been anything of the kind in Madrid for a long time, but there has been in Barcelona. Can't have that. I am quite convinced that is at least 75% of the reason Madrid is persevering with another bid after the 2012 failure.
My vote is for Istanbul. I think it would be really neat to see and will be a totally different games from anything we've seen in the last couple decades.
I doubt you'd see much difference. Especially since we, um, had games in Athens recently.

Yeah, but they were crud, without being bad enough to be memorably bad, like Atlanta. Everyone's just forgotten Athens.
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« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2012, 10:27:37 pm »
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Toronto needs to bid for 2024. I'm really starting to miss all the fun I had  2 years ago and want to do it again.
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« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2012, 11:11:09 pm »
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It's going to be Istanbul, Jacques Rogge is trying to put the Olympics in places where it hasn't been before like Rio de Janiero 2016, the first South American game, and Beijing back in 2008, the first game in China. Istanbul will be the first Middle Eastern games, and the first Olympics in an Islamic nation.  

I wouldn't be surprised if South Africa got 2024, and Haiti or Cambodia got 2028. Something tells we won't see the Olympics in North America for perhaps 50-60 years.

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I'm going to bet that since London showcased Lord Voldemort and Mary Poppins, I'm going to guess that Tokyo if they ever got the Games, will have to feature Super Mario and Pikachu.
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It's going to be Istanbul, Jacques Rogge is trying to put the Olympics in places where it hasn't been before like Rio de Janiero 2016, the first South American game, and Beijing back in 2008, the first game in China. Istanbul will be the first Middle Eastern games, and the first Olympics in an Islamic nation.  

I wouldn't be surprised if South Africa got 2024, and Haiti or Cambodia got 2028. Something tells we won't see the Olympics in North America for perhaps 50-60 years.

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Other considerations aside, I really want to see Tokyo's opening ceremony

I'm going to bet that since London showcased Lord Voldemort and Mary Poppins, I'm going to guess that Tokyo if they ever got the Games, will have to feature Super Mario and Pikachu.

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Toronto needs to bid for 2024. I'm really starting to miss all the fun I had  2 years ago and want to do it again.


Toronto would be a good bet for North America to return for sure. My only concern with that is the number of venues. I don't see a good swimming, equestrian, or gymnastics facility anywhere in Toronto.
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« Reply #45 on: August 11, 2012, 12:44:28 am »
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Haiti or Cambodia got 2028

I can promise you that this will not happen.
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Haiti or Cambodia got 2028

I can promise you that this will not happen.

It'll be a joint bid by the two.
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Haiti or Cambodia got 2028

I can promise you that this will not happen.

It'll be a joint bid by the two.


Too far.
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« Reply #48 on: August 11, 2012, 01:34:25 am »
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I'd prefer that Tokyo get it, but I think that Istanbul will get it. Which will still be interesting. I think Madrid is a pretty big dark horse (though it was in 2016, too, and was the runner up, so who knows?) at this point.
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Haiti or Cambodia got 2028

I can promise you that this will not happen.

It'll be a joint bid by the two.


Too far.

Stockholm and Melbourne jointly hosted the 1956 Olympics.
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