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Obama’s Right Wing
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August 07, 2012, 04:29:52 pm »
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Among the multitudes singing hosannas for Barack Obama’s presidential candidacy four years ago were a surprisingly large number of conservative intellectuals, christened by the press “Obamacons.”
They included not just the usual dyspeptic libertarians who always threaten to bolt the Republican Party, but also men who had been at the heart of the conservative movement. There was Bruce Bartlett, a shaper of Reagan’s supply-side economics, who wrote about the Obamacon phenomenon for The New Republic. Count also Jeffrey Hart, speechwriter for Reagan and Nixon and for 39 years a senior editor at National Review, from 1969 until the magazine severed ties with him over his Obama endorsement.
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http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/obamas-right-wing/
Obama is more of a right-wing President, especially on foreign policy and economics, than either his supporters or his detractors from the Right are willing to admit.
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realisticidealist
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Re: Obama’s Right Wing
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August 07, 2012, 04:37:23 pm »
Yeah it's true. I heard of commercial for Obama today that only talked about tax cuts, reducing the deficit, and a strong foreign policy. Sounded like a Republican ad to me.
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Re: Obama’s Right Wing
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Quote from: realisticidealist on August 07, 2012, 04:37:23 pm
Yeah it's true. I heard of commercial for Obama today that only talked about tax cuts, reducing the deficit, and a strong foreign policy. Sounded like a Republican ad to me.
He is pushing his ideological opponents to the Right. 'Crazy' does not win in Presidential elections. "Stupid" can -- see Dubya -- but 'stupid' is less immediately and obviously dangerous than 'crazy'.
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Re: Obama’s Right Wing
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Quote from: pbrower2a on August 07, 2012, 04:41:42 pm
Quote from: realisticidealist on August 07, 2012, 04:37:23 pm
Yeah it's true. I heard of commercial for Obama today that only talked about tax cuts, reducing the deficit, and a strong foreign policy. Sounded like a Republican ad to me.
He is pushing his ideological opponents to the Right. 'Crazy' does not win in Presidential elections. "Stupid" can -- see Dubya -- but 'stupid' is less immediately and obviously dangerous than 'crazy'.
Via moving to the right himself.
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August 07, 2012, 06:22:34 pm »
All the ads I've seen are about the middle class.
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TJ in Wisco
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Re: Obama’s Right Wing
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Meh Obama is the picture of the New Left. He and Andrew Cuomo ought to get together sometime. Except that Obama's found a way to move socially left and fiscally right without simultaneously becoming libertarian in any meaningful way.
Maybe in some other universe or some other country that makes him a "conservative" but I'm not buying it, obviously.
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Quote from: Senator TJ on August 07, 2012, 08:05:52 pm
Meh Obama is the picture of the New Left. He and Andrew Cuomo ought to get together sometime. Except that Obama's found a way to move socially left and fiscally right without simultaneously becoming libertarian in any meaningful way.
Maybe in some other universe or some other country that makes him a "conservative" but I'm not buying it, obviously.
Maybe libertarian in nightmare land.
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Re: Obama’s Right Wing
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August 07, 2012, 10:44:48 pm »
Quote from: Mr. Libertarian on August 07, 2012, 09:31:03 pm
Quote from: Senator TJ on August 07, 2012, 08:05:52 pm
Meh Obama is the picture of the New Left. He and Andrew Cuomo ought to get together sometime. Except that Obama's found a way to move socially left and fiscally right without simultaneously becoming libertarian in any meaningful way.
Maybe in some other universe or some other country that makes him a "conservative" but I'm not buying it, obviously.
Maybe libertarian in nightmare land.
I wanted to make sure no one thought I was implying Obama is more libertarian because he has moved right on fiscal issues and left on social issues from the norm of the Democratic Party.
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August 08, 2012, 12:33:51 am »
Moving to the right on fiscal issues and to the left on social issues is a good electoral strategy of course.
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TheDeadFlagBlues
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Quote from: Senator TJ on August 07, 2012, 08:05:52 pm
Meh Obama is the picture of the New Left. He and Andrew Cuomo ought to get together sometime. Except that Obama's found a way to move socially left and fiscally right without simultaneously becoming libertarian in any meaningful way.
Maybe in some other universe or some other country that makes him a "conservative" but I'm not buying it, obviously.
The New Left isn't "socially left and fiscally right", please try again.
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Rhodie
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Re: Obama’s Right Wing
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Quote from: realisticidealist on August 07, 2012, 04:37:23 pm
Yeah it's true. I heard of commercial for Obama today that only talked about tax cuts, reducing the deficit, and a strong foreign policy. Sounded like a Republican ad to me.
You have a problem with any of the things here?
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August 08, 2012, 01:55:08 am »
Considering that his most talked-about achievement so far is the passage of the Heritage Foundation's healthcare plan, it's difficult to argue otherwise.
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Quote from: Mitt Montgomery Burns on August 08, 2012, 01:55:08 am
Considering that his most talked-about achievement so far is the passage of the Heritage Foundation's healthcare plan, it's difficult to argue otherwise.
And yet not a single Republican voted for the health care plan that he stole from the Heritage Foundation and Mitt Romney, and was endorsed by Bob Dole. And it wasn't for lack of trying on Obama's part.
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pbrower2a
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He goes as far to the right on foreign policy (it is essentially the old Bush I-Clinton policy) as is possible. To hit him from the Right on that will be folly.
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Re: Obama’s Right Wing
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Quote from: Northeast Representative Alfred F. Jones on August 07, 2012, 06:22:34 pm
All the ads I've seen are about the middle class.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/nations-lower-class-at-least-grateful-it-not-part,28999/?utm_source=B&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2&utm_campaign=twitter
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Re: Obama’s Right Wing
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Quote from: TheDeadFlagBlues on August 08, 2012, 12:50:38 am
Quote from: Senator TJ on August 07, 2012, 08:05:52 pm
Meh Obama is the picture of the New Left. He and Andrew Cuomo ought to get together sometime. Except that Obama's found a way to move socially left and fiscally right without simultaneously becoming libertarian in any meaningful way.
Maybe in some other universe or some other country that makes him a "conservative" but I'm not buying it, obviously.
The New Left isn't "socially left and fiscally right"....
I didn't say it was "socially left and fiscally right", I said it was
moving
socially left and fiscally right. And compared to older generations of Democrats it is. I don't see Obama out there rallying against free trade, for unions, for a higher minimum wage, etc that the Democrats have supported forever.
Quote from: TheDeadFlagBlues on August 08, 2012, 12:50:38 am
... please try again.
What is that supposed to mean?
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