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Emperor SJoyce
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Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France.
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Reply #50 on:
August 14, 2012, 12:49:13 pm »
Quote from: Rhodie on August 14, 2012, 12:42:23 pm
Quote from: opebo on August 14, 2012, 12:39:01 pm
Quote from: Vosem on August 14, 2012, 12:26:10 pm
Always to be immediately replaced by other ruling classes, which generally treated the People much, much worse than their predecessors.
So? Rise up and kill them too. The only alternative to slavery is death in battle, more or less.
This must be a parody......please!
That's what I said, but then it turned out that Sean Hannity was actually a real person.
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Rhodie
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Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France.
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Reply #51 on:
August 14, 2012, 12:55:44 pm »
Quote from: IDS Legislator SJoyceFla on August 14, 2012, 12:49:13 pm
Quote from: Rhodie on August 14, 2012, 12:42:23 pm
Quote from: opebo on August 14, 2012, 12:39:01 pm
Quote from: Vosem on August 14, 2012, 12:26:10 pm
Always to be immediately replaced by other ruling classes, which generally treated the People much, much worse than their predecessors.
So? Rise up and kill them too. The only alternative to slavery is death in battle, more or less.
This must be a parody......please!
That's what I said, but then it turned out that Sean Hannity was actually a real person.
True enough.
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Nathan
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Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France.
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Reply #52 on:
August 14, 2012, 02:20:43 pm »
Eh, opebo grows on you. His views might or might not, but he tends to, at least in a 'horrible person who Atlas Forum could not collectively suspire without' sort of way.
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Vosem
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Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France.
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Reply #53 on:
August 14, 2012, 04:31:59 pm »
Quote from: opebo on August 14, 2012, 12:39:01 pm
Quote from: Vosem on August 14, 2012, 12:26:10 pm
Always to be immediately replaced by other ruling classes, which generally treated the People much, much worse than their predecessors.
So? Rise up and kill them too. The only alternative to slavery is death in battle, more or less.
First off: other people having more money than you isn't slavery, we've already been over this. And if the second sentence was completely, 100% true in all cases, then what's the f**king point of dying in battle?
Quote from: Nathan on August 14, 2012, 02:20:43 pm
Eh, opebo grows on you. His views might or might not, but he tends to, at least in a 'horrible person who Atlas Forum could not collectively suspire without' sort of way.
It's really remarkable how he does it but others with awful views tend not to.
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Sometimes, reality has a corporatist-traditionalist bias. Sometimes it has a liberal bias.
Quote from: Vosem on January 12, 2013, 05:05:23 pm
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ModerateCoward
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Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France.
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Reply #54 on:
August 14, 2012, 10:09:40 pm »
Quote from: Vosem on August 14, 2012, 12:26:10 pm
Quote from: opebo on August 14, 2012, 12:20:24 pm
Quote from: Vosem on August 14, 2012, 11:53:44 am
I think you'll agree with me in saying that the idea of a Revolution in the US or most other Western countries is 'beyond the horizon', that is, very obviously not happening any time soon, and that they have no reason to fear the guillotine. Thus such a compromise has no potential benefit for ... 'ruling class'.
You're quite right! The slaves are well under control, and there is little hope. However in theory it is possible the controllers could be hurt in some way, some day. After all the fact remains that there
have been
revolutions, and ruling classes have been slaughtered/forced into exile before.
Always to be immediately replaced by other ruling classes, which generally treated the People much, much worse than their predecessors. Also, not sure what it has to do with the topic at hand, but for some reason I feel the need to mention that several of my ancestors fought for the Red Army in the Russian Civil War.
I hope the two aren't connected, alternate timeline without red victory in Russia would be a very bleak one for the world.
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Vosem
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Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France.
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Reply #55 on:
August 14, 2012, 11:09:33 pm »
Quote from: Senator Seatown on August 14, 2012, 10:09:40 pm
Quote from: Vosem on August 14, 2012, 12:26:10 pm
Quote from: opebo on August 14, 2012, 12:20:24 pm
Quote from: Vosem on August 14, 2012, 11:53:44 am
I think you'll agree with me in saying that the idea of a Revolution in the US or most other Western countries is 'beyond the horizon', that is, very obviously not happening any time soon, and that they have no reason to fear the guillotine. Thus such a compromise has no potential benefit for ... 'ruling class'.
You're quite right! The slaves are well under control, and there is little hope. However in theory it is possible the controllers could be hurt in some way, some day. After all the fact remains that there
have been
revolutions, and ruling classes have been slaughtered/forced into exile before.
Always to be immediately replaced by other ruling classes, which generally treated the People much, much worse than their predecessors. Also, not sure what it has to do with the topic at hand, but for some reason I feel the need to mention that several of my ancestors fought for the Red Army in the Russian Civil War.
I hope the two aren't connected, alternate timeline without red victory in Russia would be a very bleak one for the world.
I'd have to agree with you that the Russian Civil War was one of those incidences where the communists were on the side of good, on the basis that communism is better than fascism. Obviously capitalism is much better than any form of communism (I know you disagree with your theory that nobody wanted to leave the USSR).
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Quote from: pbrower2a on March 31, 2013, 11:56:27 am
Sometimes, reality has a corporatist-traditionalist bias. Sometimes it has a liberal bias.
Quote from: Vosem on January 12, 2013, 05:05:23 pm
Economic score: +4.84
Social score: -6.52
At this rate, I'll lean left economically within a year or so
ModerateCoward
seatown
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Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France.
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Reply #56 on:
August 15, 2012, 01:10:21 am »
Quote from: Vosem on August 14, 2012, 11:09:33 pm
Quote from: Senator Seatown on August 14, 2012, 10:09:40 pm
Quote from: Vosem on August 14, 2012, 12:26:10 pm
Quote from: opebo on August 14, 2012, 12:20:24 pm
Quote from: Vosem on August 14, 2012, 11:53:44 am
I think you'll agree with me in saying that the idea of a Revolution in the US or most other Western countries is 'beyond the horizon', that is, very obviously not happening any time soon, and that they have no reason to fear the guillotine. Thus such a compromise has no potential benefit for ... 'ruling class'.
You're quite right! The slaves are well under control, and there is little hope. However in theory it is possible the controllers could be hurt in some way, some day. After all the fact remains that there
have been
revolutions, and ruling classes have been slaughtered/forced into exile before.
Always to be immediately replaced by other ruling classes, which generally treated the People much, much worse than their predecessors. Also, not sure what it has to do with the topic at hand, but for some reason I feel the need to mention that several of my ancestors fought for the Red Army in the Russian Civil War.
I hope the two aren't connected, alternate timeline without red victory in Russia would be a very bleak one for the world.
I'd have to agree with you that the Russian Civil War was one of those incidences where the communists were on the side of good, on the basis that communism is better than fascism. Obviously capitalism is much better than any form of communism (I know you disagree with your theory that nobody wanted to leave the USSR).
I don't think that's what I implied, I said less people wanted to leave "communist" USSR than "capitalist" Russia.
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Gustaf
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Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France.
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Reply #57 on:
August 15, 2012, 03:06:11 am »
The Russian Civil War meant Communism won instead of Social Democracy. There wasn't much of a fascist side involved in it.
Anyway, while high tax rates can make people move, that's not the main reason this is a stupid idea.
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Rhodie
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Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France.
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Reply #58 on:
August 15, 2012, 03:16:21 am »
Quote from: Senator Seatown on August 15, 2012, 01:10:21 am
Quote from: Vosem on August 14, 2012, 11:09:33 pm
Quote from: Senator Seatown on August 14, 2012, 10:09:40 pm
Quote from: Vosem on August 14, 2012, 12:26:10 pm
Quote from: opebo on August 14, 2012, 12:20:24 pm
Quote from: Vosem on August 14, 2012, 11:53:44 am
I think you'll agree with me in saying that the idea of a Revolution in the US or most other Western countries is 'beyond the horizon', that is, very obviously not happening any time soon, and that they have no reason to fear the guillotine. Thus such a compromise has no potential benefit for ... 'ruling class'.
You're quite right! The slaves are well under control, and there is little hope. However in theory it is possible the controllers could be hurt in some way, some day. After all the fact remains that there
have been
revolutions, and ruling classes have been slaughtered/forced into exile before.
Always to be immediately replaced by other ruling classes, which generally treated the People much, much worse than their predecessors. Also, not sure what it has to do with the topic at hand, but for some reason I feel the need to mention that several of my ancestors fought for the Red Army in the Russian Civil War.
I hope the two aren't connected, alternate timeline without red victory in Russia would be a very bleak one for the world.
I'd have to agree with you that the Russian Civil War was one of those incidences where the communists were on the side of good, on the basis that communism is better than fascism. Obviously capitalism is much better than any form of communism (I know you disagree with your theory that nobody wanted to leave the USSR).
I don't think that's what I implied, I said less people wanted to leave "communist" USSR than "capitalist" Russia.
Except Tsarist Russia wasn't really capitalist.
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Vosem
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Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France.
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Reply #59 on:
August 15, 2012, 11:30:19 am »
Quote from: Gustaf on August 15, 2012, 03:06:11 am
The Russian Civil War meant Communism won instead of Social Democracy. There wasn't much of a fascist side involved in it.
Er, the various White groups were all generally fascist to varying degrees. The social democrats in Russia itself generally fought for the Reds before realizing they
might
have made a mistake (the most famous such realization is the Kronstadt uprising, of course).
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Quote from: pbrower2a on March 31, 2013, 11:56:27 am
Sometimes, reality has a corporatist-traditionalist bias. Sometimes it has a liberal bias.
Quote from: Vosem on January 12, 2013, 05:05:23 pm
Economic score: +4.84
Social score: -6.52
At this rate, I'll lean left economically within a year or so
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Pingvin99
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Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France.
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Reply #60 on:
August 15, 2012, 12:08:50 pm »
Quote from: Senator Seatown on August 14, 2012, 10:09:40 pm
alternate timeline without red victory in Russia would be a very bleak one for the world.
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Nathan
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Re: Hollande's proposed tax hikes may drive businesspeople from France.
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Reply #61 on:
August 15, 2012, 12:47:34 pm »
Quote from: Rhodie on August 15, 2012, 03:16:21 am
Quote from: Senator Seatown on August 15, 2012, 01:10:21 am
Quote from: Vosem on August 14, 2012, 11:09:33 pm
Quote from: Senator Seatown on August 14, 2012, 10:09:40 pm
Quote from: Vosem on August 14, 2012, 12:26:10 pm
Quote from: opebo on August 14, 2012, 12:20:24 pm
Quote from: Vosem on August 14, 2012, 11:53:44 am
I think you'll agree with me in saying that the idea of a Revolution in the US or most other Western countries is 'beyond the horizon', that is, very obviously not happening any time soon, and that they have no reason to fear the guillotine. Thus such a compromise has no potential benefit for ... 'ruling class'.
You're quite right! The slaves are well under control, and there is little hope. However in theory it is possible the controllers could be hurt in some way, some day. After all the fact remains that there
have been
revolutions, and ruling classes have been slaughtered/forced into exile before.
Always to be immediately replaced by other ruling classes, which generally treated the People much, much worse than their predecessors. Also, not sure what it has to do with the topic at hand, but for some reason I feel the need to mention that several of my ancestors fought for the Red Army in the Russian Civil War.
I hope the two aren't connected, alternate timeline without red victory in Russia would be a very bleak one for the world.
I'd have to agree with you that the Russian Civil War was one of those incidences where the communists were on the side of good, on the basis that communism is better than fascism. Obviously capitalism is much better than any form of communism (I know you disagree with your theory that nobody wanted to leave the USSR).
I don't think that's what I implied, I said less people wanted to leave "communist" USSR than "capitalist" Russia.
Except Tsarist Russia wasn't really capitalist.
He might be referring to current capitalist Russia. Which is likely not sufficiently capitalist for many or most Western standards
either
, but...
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Quote from: Joe Republic on April 25, 2013, 03:29:18 pm
It's like one minute you're preaching from the pulpit at some exceedingly dull church; the next you're a giving a Womens' Studies lecture at Berkeley.
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