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CNN/ORC Poll: Obama 52; Romney 45
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Ben Romney
Hillary2012
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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Obama 52; Romney 45
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because it was of a friend!! I am sorry for that!!!
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Craigo
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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Obama 52; Romney 45
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Quote from: Ben Romney on August 09, 2012, 06:34:29 pm
because it was of a friend!! I am sorry for that!!!
...Is your friend a pollster?
Doesn't pass the smell test, sorry.
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1. Don't argue with the numbers because they're not telling you what you want to hear
2. Don't ascribe to bias or incompetence that which can be explained by random error
3. Don't use the phrase "statistical tie" unless the horse-race numbers are actually tied
4. Don't divide polls into "right" and "wrong" because the toplines differ
5. Don't assume that house effects are set in stone
6. Don't overreact to any single poll
7. Party ID is for amateurs
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DrScholl
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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Obama 52; Romney 45
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August 09, 2012, 07:03:43 pm »
Quote from: Ben Romney on August 09, 2012, 05:55:04 pm
Dr. Scholl my data r the crosstabs of the pollsters and the party ID of Rasmussen which is the bets in the country! i think on election day it will be tied but from today it`s R+1
the same for the states poll of course!
Short answer: Your numbers are the numbers you would like to see, but aren't the ones in reality.
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kingthlayer
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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Obama 52; Romney 45
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Hey guys I just called my sister and mother, and based on this porfessionally administered poll I can predict that Obama is leading by 12 points nationally, and that Utah is "lean Obama".
DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT QUESTIONING ME
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Quote from: Senator Berkley on November 08, 2012, 06:22:08 pm
It makes me happy Republicans will never be able to say they defeated Obama. Never ever.
krazen1211
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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Obama 52; Romney 45
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August 09, 2012, 07:27:03 pm »
Plausible. Romney is getting demolished in the minority vote. Thankfully that won't affect the House too much because the minority vote is quarantined.
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Holmes
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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Obama 52; Romney 45
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Yes, thankfully it's... "quarantined."
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mondale84
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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Obama 52; Romney 45
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Quote from: krazen1211 on August 09, 2012, 07:27:03 pm
Plausible. Romney is getting demolished in the minority vote. Thankfully that won't affect the House too much because
the minority vote is quarantined
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What???
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kingthlayer
captain copernicus
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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Obama 52; Romney 45
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August 09, 2012, 09:11:06 pm »
Lets return the favor by putting this hack on ignore.
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Quote from: Senator Berkley on November 08, 2012, 06:22:08 pm
It makes me happy Republicans will never be able to say they defeated Obama. Never ever.
pbrower2a
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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Obama 52; Romney 45
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August 09, 2012, 09:42:37 pm »
Quote from: krazen1211 on August 09, 2012, 07:27:03 pm
Plausible. Romney is getting demolished in the minority vote. Thankfully that won't affect the House too much because the minority vote is quarantined.
That means that the minority vote is gerrymandered so that it is concentrated in a few sure=thing districts (that will go 75% or so for the Democrat) so that far more districts can go 57-43 for the Republican.
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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Obama 52; Romney 45
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August 09, 2012, 09:52:06 pm »
I'm fully convinced that the majority-minority aspects of the VRA need to be stricken down. It's as if LBJ's racist self planned for this.
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krazen1211
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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Obama 52; Romney 45
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Quote from: pbrower2a on August 09, 2012, 09:42:37 pm
Quote from: krazen1211 on August 09, 2012, 07:27:03 pm
Plausible. Romney is getting demolished in the minority vote. Thankfully that won't affect the House too much because the minority vote is quarantined.
That means that the minority vote is gerrymandered so that it is concentrated in a few sure=thing districts (that will go 75% or so for the Democrat) so that far more districts can go 57-43 for the Republican.
Yes, it does. See North Carolina, South Carolina, to name 2, which are drawn to enact 4 Democratic districts, and 16 Republican ones at 57-43 or so.
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DrScholl
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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Obama 52; Romney 45
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August 09, 2012, 10:01:15 pm »
I'm all for striking down majority-minority districts, they are only being abused for partisan reasons now and it's becoming more problematic than helpful. One party needs those districts more than the other. Strike it down and see who gets quarantined then.
Quote from: KINGTHLAYER on August 09, 2012, 09:11:06 pm
Lets return the favor by putting this hack on ignore.
You are so right.
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True Federalist
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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Obama 52; Romney 45
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Quote from: krazen1211 on August 09, 2012, 09:55:29 pm
Quote from: pbrower2a on August 09, 2012, 09:42:37 pm
Quote from: krazen1211 on August 09, 2012, 07:27:03 pm
Plausible. Romney is getting demolished in the minority vote. Thankfully that won't affect the House too much because the minority vote is quarantined.
That means that the minority vote is gerrymandered so that it is concentrated in a few sure=thing districts (that will go 75% or so for the Democrat) so that far more districts can go 57-43 for the Republican.
Yes, it does. See North Carolina, South Carolina, to name 2, which are drawn to enact 4 Democratic districts, and 16 Republican ones at 57-43 or so.
Actually, in South Carolina, without a majority-minority 6th district, then instead of 5 safe GOP, 1 lean GOP, and 1 ubersafe Dem district, we'd have 2 or 3 safe GOP districts with the rest being lean GOP. Absent VRA, we'd have gone 6-0 GOP in 2010 and be likely to go 7-0 GOP this year. However, with more competitive seats, it's probable that the GOP would be forced to moderate a bit. Of course if you'd rather have a more ideologically driven GOP, then this leaving of obtainable seats to the Dems may be just what you want.
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CultureKing
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Re: CNN/ORC Poll: Obama 52; Romney 45
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Quote from: True Federalist on August 10, 2012, 12:56:45 am
Quote from: krazen1211 on August 09, 2012, 09:55:29 pm
Quote from: pbrower2a on August 09, 2012, 09:42:37 pm
Quote from: krazen1211 on August 09, 2012, 07:27:03 pm
Plausible. Romney is getting demolished in the minority vote. Thankfully that won't affect the House too much because the minority vote is quarantined.
That means that the minority vote is gerrymandered so that it is concentrated in a few sure=thing districts (that will go 75% or so for the Democrat) so that far more districts can go 57-43 for the Republican.
Yes, it does. See North Carolina, South Carolina, to name 2, which are drawn to enact 4 Democratic districts, and 16 Republican ones at 57-43 or so.
Actually, in South Carolina, without a majority-minority 6th district, then instead of 5 safe GOP, 1 lean GOP, and 1 ubersafe Dem district, we'd have 2 or 3 safe GOP districts with the rest being lean GOP. Absent VRA, we'd have gone 6-0 GOP in 2010 and be likely to go 7-0 GOP this year. However, with more competitive seats, it's probable that the GOP would be forced to moderate a bit. Of course if you'd rather have a more ideologically driven GOP, then this leaving of obtainable seats to the Dems may be just what you want.
Agreed. If anything we need to reform the VRA to require non-partisan drawn compact districts.
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