Is this the Most Important Election since 1980?

[Lief 🗽]

Bro, even the American judge on the court agreed that the United States had breached customary international law by laying mines in Nicaragua's territorial waters.

And dismissing judges because of the country they come from is really ridiculous and ignorant. The Polish judge on the case, for instance, wrote a lot of important stuff on international law regarding outer space and is recognized as a pretty important scholar.

[Marokai Backbeat]

I think, if anything, 2000 should teach us that even if an election can seem completely boring and insignificant, it may not be that way, and you should treat every election as though it is important. I know, that's not a hip answer. Sorry.

Bro, even the American judge on the court agreed that the United States had breached customary international law by laying mines in Nicaragua's territorial waters.

And dismissing judges because of the country they come from is really ridiculous and ignorant. The Polish judge on the case, for instance, wrote a lot of important stuff on international law regarding outer space and is recognized as a pretty important scholar.

No Communist ever had a legitimate position. Ever.

[Sasquatch]

Only in hindsight is the 2000 election the most important, but few people knew it at the time.

[opebo]

Seriously, you think the United States should just have watched the Soviet Union and Cuba running around invading other countries and installing puppet Marxist dictatorships.

That's not what was occurring Rhodie.  In rare cases, progressive elements in some societies were successful in overthrowing their fascist/capitalist regimes.  The Soviet Union and Cuba were rarely able to give them much assisstance.

The  Bombing Gaddaffi, what was wrong with that per say.

Well obviously it was 'wrong', Rhodie.  What possible reason could their be to interfere in the internal affairs of the sovereign nation of Libya except for imperialism?

[Politico]

Every election is potentially the most important, and usually you do not find out exactly how important an election was until long after it ended. Mind you, even after the fact we do not necessarily know how important an election was. One will always find inherently unknown unknowns with regards to the alternate outcome. The bottomline: Elections matter.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Very little would have changed if Kerry were elected in 2004.

Very little changes no matter who's elected. That's kind of besides the point.

Of the last 5 elections, I'd agree on that for all of them except 2008 and possibly 2000. The biggest ideological contrast of the past 30 years was easily Reagan/Mondale.

did Reagan know how to spell 'ideology' in 1984?

In 1984?  Probably.  In 1987 or 1988?  Probably not.

Is there some kind of Presidential spelling bee?

[Donerail]

did Reagan know how to spell 'ideology' in 1984?

Wonderful to see the left learning to laugh at Alzheimers. Reagan was infinitely more intelligent than people gave him credit for.

You misinterpret - our reference to his mental incopetence is to excuse his crimes.  If he were perfectly cognizant throughout he's as culpable a criminal as the Bushs, perhaps worse.

Ah yes and what 'crimes' were those?

Lebanon intervention, Iran-Iraq intervention, Iran-Contra, Libya bombing, Grenada invasion, funding groups in Colombia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Panama, Honduras, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, Mozambique, Angola, and Cambodia, war on drugs, expansion of government and regulation, foreign aid increase, restrictions on 'sin'.

Lebanon intervention: American troops occupying a foreign nation. Sounds like imperialism to me.
Iran-Iraq intervention: It's generally considered 'bad' to shoot down civilian airliners. And you realize you're arguing for Saddam, right?
Libya: Bombing a foreign country in a preventative strike. Imperialism.
Grenada: Imperialist invasion of a Commonwealth realm to distract from the events three sentences up.
El Salvador: Human rights abuses? Heard of them?
Guatemala: See El Salvador
Panama: Invading another sovereign country. Imperialism.
Honduras: Battalion 316.
Nicaragua: Funding terrorists isn't a good idea.
Afghanistan: Especially not when those terrorists are Osama bin Laden.
Mozambique: RENAMO aren't exactly great people either, and funding the guys whose major supporter is Rhodesia isn't conductive to increasing the US's image in Africa.
Angola: See above, add in 'or apartheid South Africa'.
War on Drugs: Restrictions on personal liberty, incarcerating thousands for no reason.
Foreign aid increase: This increase is from a so-called fiscal conservative.
Restrictions on 'sin': This is doing stuff like excessively taxing alcohol and attempting to ban porn. Not good.

[Rhodie]

did Reagan know how to spell 'ideology' in 1984?

Wonderful to see the left learning to laugh at Alzheimers. Reagan was infinitely more intelligent than people gave him credit for.

You misinterpret - our reference to his mental incopetence is to excuse his crimes.  If he were perfectly cognizant throughout he's as culpable a criminal as the Bushs, perhaps worse.

Ah yes and what 'crimes' were those?

Lebanon intervention, Iran-Iraq intervention, Iran-Contra, Libya bombing, Grenada invasion, funding groups in Colombia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Panama, Honduras, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, Mozambique, Angola, and Cambodia, war on drugs, expansion of government and regulation, foreign aid increase, restrictions on 'sin'.

Lebanon intervention: American troops occupying a foreign nation. Sounds like imperialism to me.
Iran-Iraq intervention: It's generally considered 'bad' to shoot down civilian airliners. And you realize you're arguing for Saddam, right?
Libya: Bombing a foreign country in a preventative strike. Imperialism.
Grenada: Imperialist invasion of a Commonwealth realm to distract from the events three sentences up.
El Salvador: Human rights abuses? Heard of them?
Guatemala: See El Salvador
Panama: Invading another sovereign country. Imperialism.
Honduras: Battalion 316.
Nicaragua: Funding terrorists isn't a good idea.
Afghanistan: Especially not when those terrorists are Osama bin Laden.
Mozambique: RENAMO aren't exactly great people either, and funding the guys whose major supporter is Rhodesia isn't conductive to increasing the US's image in Africa.
Angola: See above, add in 'or apartheid South Africa'.
War on Drugs: Restrictions on personal liberty, incarcerating thousands for no reason.
Foreign aid increase: This increase is from a so-called fiscal conservative.
Restrictions on 'sin': This is doing stuff like excessively taxing alcohol and attempting to ban porn. Not good.

This Imperialism rubbish is starting to annoy me. Has every single foreign war fought by the United States been an act of imperialism?

Anyway, this stuff about increasing the U.S image in Africa, quite frankly, does that mean cosying up to communist dictators?

Calling foreign aid a crime is one of the funniest things I've ever heard in my life.

[Donerail]

did Reagan know how to spell 'ideology' in 1984?

Wonderful to see the left learning to laugh at Alzheimers. Reagan was infinitely more intelligent than people gave him credit for.

You misinterpret - our reference to his mental incopetence is to excuse his crimes.  If he were perfectly cognizant throughout he's as culpable a criminal as the Bushs, perhaps worse.

Ah yes and what 'crimes' were those?

Lebanon intervention, Iran-Iraq intervention, Iran-Contra, Libya bombing, Grenada invasion, funding groups in Colombia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Panama, Honduras, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, Mozambique, Angola, and Cambodia, war on drugs, expansion of government and regulation, foreign aid increase, restrictions on 'sin'.

Lebanon intervention: American troops occupying a foreign nation. Sounds like imperialism to me.
Iran-Iraq intervention: It's generally considered 'bad' to shoot down civilian airliners. And you realize you're arguing for Saddam, right?
Libya: Bombing a foreign country in a preventative strike. Imperialism.
Grenada: Imperialist invasion of a Commonwealth realm to distract from the events three sentences up.
El Salvador: Human rights abuses? Heard of them?
Guatemala: See El Salvador
Panama: Invading another sovereign country. Imperialism.
Honduras: Battalion 316.
Nicaragua: Funding terrorists isn't a good idea.
Afghanistan: Especially not when those terrorists are Osama bin Laden.
Mozambique: RENAMO aren't exactly great people either, and funding the guys whose major supporter is Rhodesia isn't conductive to increasing the US's image in Africa.
Angola: See above, add in 'or apartheid South Africa'.
War on Drugs: Restrictions on personal liberty, incarcerating thousands for no reason.
Foreign aid increase: This increase is from a so-called fiscal conservative.
Restrictions on 'sin': This is doing stuff like excessively taxing alcohol and attempting to ban porn. Not good.

This Imperialism rubbish is starting to annoy me. Has every single foreign war fought by the United States been an act of imperialism?

Anyway, this stuff about increasing the U.S image in Africa, quite frankly, does that mean cosying up to communist dictators?

Calling foreign aid a crime is one of the funniest things I've ever heard in my life.

For the most part, yes. As for increasing US image, it means not bombing them.

[J. J.]

If this is a realigning election, it could very well be the most important election since 1980.

[Marokai Backbeat]

If this is a realigning election, it could very well be the most important election since 1980.

"If it's important, it could very well be important."

Thank you for the insight, JJ.

[J. J.]

If this is a realigning election, it could very well be the most important election since 1980.

"If it's important, it could very well be important."

Thank you for the insight, JJ.

If this is a realignment, it is the most important.  Some of the indications are that it is a realignment.

[mondale84]

If this is a realigning election, it could very well be the most important election since 1980.

"If it's important, it could very well be important."

Thank you for the insight, JJ.

If this is a realignment, it is the most important.  Some of the indications are that it is a realignment.

Which, pray tell...