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« on: August 11, 2012, 05:13:57 pm »
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So earlier today Snowstalker made an astute observation in irc chat, and I decided to take the idea and expand on it in 2012 board. Apparently mods do not allow true negative things to be said about Republican hacks get to make hyperbolas all day about Obama.
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Apparently there are only 3 black people in the crowd, according to snowie. Certainly there were more Jews present in Hitler's speeches.

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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2012, 05:47:12 pm »
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What about this implied comparison is edifying?
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2012, 05:48:25 pm »
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Please find a source as to how many Jews were present at Nazi rallies in the 30s. Then it can be considered a fact. Till then, it isn't, unless you were there, which for some reason I doubt.
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2012, 05:49:50 pm »
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It was me. Show me the facts on that and we'll talk.
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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2012, 05:56:31 pm »
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It was me. Show me the facts on that and we'll talk.

I hope that you're not implying that this post is only unacceptable because Seatown isn't citing his sources.
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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2012, 05:58:04 pm »
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That is a disgusting post that deserved to be infracted. Taking posting advice from Snowstalker is not a good idea.
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2012, 06:00:03 pm »
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It was me. Show me the facts on that and we'll talk.

I hope that you're not implying that this post is only unacceptable because Seatown isn't citing his sources.

No, not at all. But you can't get all upset about a post being deleted because you're "stating facts" when you're not.
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2012, 06:02:10 pm »
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Please find a source as to how many Jews were present at Nazi rallies in the 30s. Then it can be considered a fact. Till then, it isn't, unless you were there, which for some reason I doubt.
I don't have direct answer for that, but here is what a google search found.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_some_Jews_vote_for_Hitler
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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2012, 06:03:11 pm »
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It was me. Show me the facts on that and we'll talk.

I hope that you're not implying that this post is only unacceptable because Seatown isn't citing his sources.

That is, unfortunately, standard moderation policy. When I called Snowstalker a racist, I had to show Inks the proof that Snowstalker was indeed a racist to get the points removed.
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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2012, 06:03:23 pm »
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Wow, Napoleon being a dick? I'm shocked!
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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2012, 06:06:12 pm »
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Fact:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0312421532?p=S00M&checkSum=FLOZxRgpgL7QvZMQDdUn762e6tg1sMhCa5%2FKQZ9elh8%3D
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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2012, 06:09:59 pm »
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Wow, Napoleon being a dick? I'm shocked!
Finding Holocaust jokes disgusting does not qualify as "being a dick" for normal people. Please continue with your intelligent contributions.
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2012, 06:15:13 pm »
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I was referring to:

That is a disgusting post that deserved to be infracted. Taking posting advice from Snowstalker is not a good idea.

I also made a similar comment which was similarly censored.
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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2012, 06:18:09 pm »
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I was referring to:

That is a disgusting post that deserved to be infracted. Taking posting advice from Snowstalker is not a good idea.

I also made a similar comment which was similarly censored.

Considering your past statements on racial matters, I do not see what is so wrong with what I said in the context given. Posts like the ones we are discussing are objectively bad and are bound to offend. There is no humor in the Holocaust, or racial epithets, to most people on this forum.
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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2012, 06:25:15 pm »
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Still not removing the points.
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« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2012, 06:28:17 pm »
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Some Italian Jews were fascists, and Italian fascism was not inherently anti-Semitic. I'm not sure what you think this proves.
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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2012, 06:32:56 pm »
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Some Italian Jews were fascists, and Italian fascism was not inherently anti-Semitic. I'm not sure what you think this proves.
Presence of Jews at fascist rallies?
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« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2012, 06:36:07 pm »
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Drop this.
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« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2012, 06:53:53 pm »
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One little problem is that it kind of implies Mittens thinks of black people what Hitler thought of Jews. Anyhoo, it is the kind of thing that tends to cause silly flame wars. I would have just deleted the post myself, and sent a PM explaining why. No death points, because I don't think it was intended really to have that implication - it just did. Cheers.
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« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2012, 07:16:53 pm »
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Wow, Napoleon being a dick? I'm shocked!
Finding Holocaust jokes disgusting does not qualify as "being a dick" for normal people. Please continue with your intelligent contributions.

It wasn't a holocaust joke.
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« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2012, 09:02:17 pm »
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This is not a battle worth fighting.
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« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2012, 11:59:51 pm »
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This is not a battle worth fighting.

every battle is a battle worth fighting, much as a union prosecutes a grievance, if we don't fight for our weakest or lowest link, what's left?  for even once the fact was proven, Andrew shrugged it off: "still not changing", God himself could not make Andrew do it, and the laws are girded too tight.  in character Al just says 'drop it', relying on the mythical European sensibility or just a general fear of his jaded personality.  remove the points!
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« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2012, 04:33:17 am »
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One little problem is that it kind of implies Mittens thinks of black people what Hitler thought of Jews. Anyhoo, it is the kind of thing that tends to cause silly flame wars. I would have just deleted the post myself, and sent a PM explaining why. No death points, because I don't think it was intended really to have that implication - it just did. Cheers.
It doesn't have that implication at all unless you want it to, really. In which case it's you that's engaging in vicious hyperbole.

Especially since most people in 1932 Germany didn't know or care what exactly Hitler thought of the Jews until it was too late. (Even though he'd spelled it all out in print back in 1925, odd as it sounds.) They knew he was an Antisemite, of course, but then verbally aggressive, resultless Antisemitism was an accepted staple of the German Right for decades by then, and was shared by the DNVP.
It's certainly very very clear from voting results that rich ultraconservative Jews (and Jewry in Germany was, by and large and despite the numerous excemptions, ridiculously middle-to-upper-middle-class by then. And Jewry by the Nazis' definition, ie including the descendants of the fairly numerous 19th century converts, even more so - that set consisted basically entirely of posh twits) voted mostly for centrist parties rather than their class' Weimar-standard mouthfoaming extremists. By '33 the DDP was basically a Jewish Party.
And of course most German Jews were not actually murdered in the Holocaust at all (though lots and lots were). They had time enough to emigrate. Unlike the Polish etc Jews.

The statement is impossible to prove, unmeaningful, and it is indeed a bad idea to take posting advice from Snowstalker. But the infraction points and the fake outrage here are more than a little ridiculous. Unless we start infracting every reduction at Hitlerum. (And these things are fun to do precisely because they shock mostly the clueless. The types who think what happened was inevitable once Hitler came to power and would have been apparent to Hitler's voters.)
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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2012, 05:44:34 pm »
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It was me. Show me the facts on that and we'll talk.

I hope that you're not implying that this post is only unacceptable because Seatown isn't citing his sources.

That is, unfortunately, standard moderation policy. When I called Snowstalker a racist, I had to show Inks the proof that Snowstalker was indeed a racist to get the points removed.

You made a personal attack against another poster, so yes, the burden of proof was on you.  It'd be kinda dumb if I just went around saying, "Napoleon is a racist" without any proof and was able to get away with it.
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« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2012, 01:33:34 am »
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I apologize for bumping this topic, but from what I gather that many people on this forum(many a lot more moderate than me, opebo, tweed and the like) consider the GOP ticket to be what many people thought my comparison implied, and this   moderator action is simply a repression of free speech. As the great jmfcst would say " a spade is a spade".
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