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« Reply #100 on: October 07, 2012, 09:41:08 pm »
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54-44 to be precise. Damn. Better luck next time.

There will be no next time for some 20 years I'm afraid.

I'm not a fan of the man, but if he was going to do away with the democratic process (or turn it into a complete sham) then he'd have done so years ago. So you lost an election. Happens. No need to be so melodramatic.
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« Reply #101 on: October 07, 2012, 09:42:28 pm »
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Wonderful news!
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« Reply #102 on: October 07, 2012, 09:44:12 pm »
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54-44 to be precise. Damn. Better luck next time.

There will be no next time for some 20 years I'm afraid.

I'm not a fan of the man, but if he was going to do away with the democratic process (or turn it into a complete sham) then he'd have done so years ago. So you lost an election. Happens. No need to be so melodramatic.

His recent human rights record shows he is moving away from acceptable standards. He's just denounced the American Convention on Human Rights and can reform the Constitution as much as he want. 
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« Reply #103 on: October 07, 2012, 09:46:48 pm »
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In my head, never really expected Chavez to lose, the advantages of incumbency are just too strong. Thought the margin would be a bit smaller though. On the bright side the opposition has a president-in-waiting.
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« Reply #104 on: October 07, 2012, 09:47:15 pm »
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« Reply #105 on: October 07, 2012, 09:48:45 pm »
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Tibisay Lucena, the President of the Nat. Electoral Council says that Chávez got 54.4% of the vote and Capriles 44%. 90% counted. Turnout 81%.

There will be no next time for some 20 years I'm afraid.

Chávez won't last 20 years and he has not a sucessor. Capriles would be perfectly the next president.
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« Reply #106 on: October 07, 2012, 09:49:08 pm »
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You're a Chavez supporter, Oakvale ? Didn't expect that.
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« Reply #107 on: October 07, 2012, 09:50:09 pm »
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You're a Chavez supporter, Oakvale ? Didn't expect that.

Oh, no, not really, I'm being somewhat facetious - I just think some people are overreacting. Chavez is more Mayor Daley than Joseph Stalin.
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« Reply #108 on: October 07, 2012, 09:59:16 pm »
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"Gracias Dios mío! Gracias a todos y a todas!!" Chavez tweets.
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« Reply #109 on: October 07, 2012, 10:03:35 pm »
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I hope the opposition is heartened by the gains instead of getting demoralized and throwing in the towel.
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« Reply #110 on: October 07, 2012, 10:05:42 pm »
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You're a Chavez supporter, Oakvale ? Didn't expect that.

Oh, no, not really, I'm being somewhat facetious - I just think some people are overreacting. Chavez is more Mayor Daley than Joseph Stalin.

That's really an unjustified insult to Mayor Daley. As much we joke about dead people votes, Daley and Chavez are incomparable.

Unless you're saying that Chavez is a 45 on the Daley to Stalin scale. Which I could buy, but being in the mid 40's on an Anyone to Stalin scale is a bad thing.
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« Reply #111 on: October 07, 2012, 10:06:25 pm »
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You're a Chavez supporter, Oakvale ? Didn't expect that.

Oh, no, not really, I'm being somewhat facetious - I just think some people are overreacting. Chavez is more Mayor Daley than Joseph Stalin.

Yeah, I agree that some people like to portray him as some kind of totalitarian monster, which, as this election proves, he clearly isn't. The sad things is that these people are also likely to support real dictators as long as they abide to their neoliberal dogma.
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« Reply #112 on: October 07, 2012, 10:24:55 pm »
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54-44 to be precise. Damn. Better luck next time.

There will be no next time for some 20 years I'm afraid.

I'm not a fan of the man, but if he was going to do away with the democratic process (or turn it into a complete sham) then he'd have done so years ago. So you lost an election. Happens. No need to be so melodramatic.

His recent human rights record shows he is moving away from acceptable standards. He's just denounced the American Convention on Human Rights and can reform the Constitution as much as he want. 

So? Canada and United States never ratified that Convention. (Canada over abortion issues, United States over death penalty)
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« Reply #113 on: October 07, 2012, 10:31:03 pm »
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You're a Chavez supporter, Oakvale ? Didn't expect that.

Oh, no, not really, I'm being somewhat facetious - I just think some people are overreacting. Chavez is more Mayor Daley than Joseph Stalin.

Yeah, I agree that some people like to portray him as some kind of totalitarian monster, which, as this election proves, he clearly isn't. The sad things is that these people are also likely to support real dictators as long as they abide to their neoliberal dogma.

I agree. Totalitarian dictators usually don't win by 10 points.

They tend to win by 20 point margins.
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« Reply #114 on: October 07, 2012, 10:53:33 pm »
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You're a Chavez supporter, Oakvale ? Didn't expect that.

Oh, no, not really, I'm being somewhat facetious - I just think some people are overreacting. Chavez is more Mayor Daley than Joseph Stalin.

Yeah, I agree that some people like to portray him as some kind of totalitarian monster, which, as this election proves, he clearly isn't. The sad things is that these people are also likely to support real dictators as long as they abide to their neoliberal dogma.

I agree. Totalitarian dictators usually don't win by 10 points.

They tend to win by 20 point margins.

More like 80-90 point margins, actually. For those who even bother holding elections.
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« Reply #115 on: October 07, 2012, 11:06:15 pm »
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You're a Chavez supporter, Oakvale ? Didn't expect that.

Oh, no, not really, I'm being somewhat facetious - I just think some people are overreacting. Chavez is more Mayor Daley than Joseph Stalin.

That's really an unjustified insult to Mayor Daley. As much we joke about dead people votes, Daley and Chavez are incomparable.

Unless you're saying that Chavez is a 45 on the Daley to Stalin scale. Which I could buy, but being in the mid 40's on an Anyone to Stalin scale is a bad thing.

Um, I'll freely and gladly take this back if I'm mistaken, but aren't you a Pinochet fan?

I'm not saying that particular bit of whataboutery excuses Chavez's human rights violations, mind - I thought it was self-evident that my post was somewhat tongue-in-cheek.
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« Reply #116 on: October 07, 2012, 11:14:01 pm »
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« Reply #117 on: October 07, 2012, 11:36:56 pm »
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Prediction:

54% Chavez
44% Capriles
  2% Others







































































Should have sticked with this ... Tongue
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« Reply #118 on: October 08, 2012, 12:48:22 am »
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Miranda and Lara are pretty close.
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« Reply #119 on: October 08, 2012, 01:49:54 am »
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What a surprise!
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« Reply #120 on: October 08, 2012, 02:23:32 am »
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Good news. Smiley
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« Reply #121 on: October 08, 2012, 03:39:29 am »
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Chavez has now taken a 700-vote lead in Miranda and increased his lead in Lara to about 1%.

That leaves Tachira and Merida as the only Capriles-states.

Interesting that Zulia is not backing Capriles.
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« Reply #122 on: October 08, 2012, 04:28:16 am »
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I'm thinking Freedom House's 5 score for political right's is too harsh in light of there being a 54-44 election.
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« Reply #123 on: October 08, 2012, 04:30:49 am »
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54-44 to be precise. Damn. Better luck next time.

There will be no next time for some 20 years I'm afraid.

I'm not a fan of the man, but if he was going to do away with the democratic process (or turn it into a complete sham) then he'd have done so years ago. So you lost an election. Happens. No need to be so melodramatic.

Agree. He's not a dictator, just a dodgy 'democrat'.
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« Reply #124 on: October 08, 2012, 05:57:49 am »
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