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Bacon King
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« Reply #50 on: October 03, 2012, 12:00:52 PM »

I think what this thread really needs, is a few more lovable Chavez photos. (Hey, it's better than diverging into an argument on Pinochet!)


Does "lovable" mean "goofy" in your idiolect?

I do find goofy photos to be adorable, indeed, especially when it's someone who normally projects a personality you wouldn't expect it from (see also, for example, all those "Newt Gingrich playing with animals" pictures; they were hilarious and awesome).

PS, I love the word "idiolect" and if you don't mind I'd like to appropriate it and try to work it into everyday conversation.
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« Reply #51 on: October 03, 2012, 12:18:21 PM »

I think what this thread really needs, is a few more lovable Chavez photos. (Hey, it's better than diverging into an argument on Pinochet!)


Does "lovable" mean "goofy" in your idiolect?

You're terribly out of touch, ag - normal humans find warm, 'down to earth' photos of a great man interacting with 'real people', wearing normal clothes and with a smile on his face to be loveable.  What do you find lovable?  A grim white guy standing stiffly in a suit?

I am afraid you see smthg in those pictures I don't Smiley

There is nothing warm, the man is not great, he is not smiling (in a couple of cases grimacing a bit, dead serious, if not outright frowning in others), his clothing is not normal - in the sense that few people would ever be caught dead wearing them. And, of course, in all but one of these photos there are no other people properly visible - and no indication he is interacting with anyone, other than the photographer.
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« Reply #52 on: October 03, 2012, 12:53:48 PM »

I am afraid you see smthg in those pictures I don't Smiley

There is nothing warm, the man is not great, he is not smiling (in a couple of cases grimacing a bit, dead serious, if not outright frowning in others), his clothing is not normal - in the sense that few people would ever be caught dead wearing them. And, of course, in all but one of these photos there are no other people properly visible - and no indication he is interacting with anyone, other than the photographer.

Actually I have to admit I didn't look at the photos - I suppose the real test of his lovability is that a majority of Venezuelans do in fact love him, and will re-elect him.  So, he can look as goofy as he likes - the leftist policies are what makes him loved.
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« Reply #53 on: October 03, 2012, 02:56:35 PM »

Venezuela has one industry: oil. Oil prices have skyrocketed. ANY Venezuelan government would have a huge GDP increase. Then, of course, Venezuelan production has, reportedly, actually fallen despite much higher prices - because of mismanagenemt and incompetence.

Any numbers coming out of Venezuela right now are, unfortunately, not too reliable. Not because of any malice, actually - mostly because they've rid the bureaucracy of those who could compute them.

Pretty much.
Just taking numbers into account without looking into the economy and its fundamentals, and without looking at other things over which the government can actually make a difference (like criminality rates) can only lead to a partial analysis.
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« Reply #54 on: October 03, 2012, 05:08:23 PM »

Capriles is walking the fine ideological line pretty well, I think.
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« Reply #55 on: October 03, 2012, 05:14:30 PM »

Capriles is walking the fine ideological line pretty well, I think.

yes, except for

http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/7238

Capriles plans to privatize, allow for foreign takeover of finance (equal to loss of national sovereignty - see Greece) allow profits to be expatriated, etc.
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« Reply #56 on: October 04, 2012, 08:12:11 AM »

As this thread seems to be the revelating test of left-wing consistency and sanity to our fellow right-wing forumers, I will tell you this election is the first Chavez one in which I actually have a really hard time to know who to support. It's the first one I'm considering a Chavez defeat with something else than contempt and appall. So I guess I'm half sane and half insane...
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« Reply #57 on: October 05, 2012, 06:47:21 AM »

As this thread seems to be the revelating test of left-wing consistency and sanity to our fellow right-wing forumers, I will tell you this election is the first Chavez one in which I actually have a really hard time to know who to support. It's the first one I'm considering a Chavez defeat with something else than contempt and appall. So I guess I'm half sane and half insane...

Never stop believing, bro.
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« Reply #58 on: October 05, 2012, 06:15:45 PM »

The New Republic Reports

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« Reply #59 on: October 05, 2012, 06:40:27 PM »


what else would you expect from capitalist homosexual Zionists?   /Chavez
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« Reply #60 on: October 05, 2012, 06:48:00 PM »


of course the Western-capitalist media is salivating at the (remote) possibility of a Chavez defeat, and, failing that, the possibility of his death by cancer.  meanwhile the Venezuelan opposition is making its plans to reject the results of Sunday's election, something the Western-capitalist media will surely report ad nauseam in the aftermath.

the exaggeration of the closeness of the race sets the stage well for challenging the legitimacy of the results when they go the wrong way.
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« Reply #61 on: October 05, 2012, 07:26:09 PM »

Chavez wins unless he doesn't, so I'll guess a single-digit victory for now.
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« Reply #62 on: October 05, 2012, 09:18:35 PM »

Chavez will be re-elected.
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« Reply #63 on: October 06, 2012, 02:45:44 AM »
« Edited: October 06, 2012, 02:47:37 AM by 後援会 »


Almost certainly. Then he'll linger on for a few years until he dies from cancer. And then sh**t will hit the fan as Venezuela completes its transition to a failed narcostate.

You'd think a nation with one of the world's largest oil reserves could at least cling onto being a slightly preferable failed petrostate, but that sounds overly optimistic.
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« Reply #64 on: October 06, 2012, 11:15:13 AM »

Places to watch.

http://transitions.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/10/05/in_venezuela_everythings_in_play
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« Reply #65 on: October 06, 2012, 11:44:58 AM »

How fair and transparent are elections these days in Venezuela ?

Are they rigged, are votes bought or voters intimidated ? Chavez supporters bussed to the polling places etc. ?

Who knows more ?
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« Reply #66 on: October 06, 2012, 11:50:37 AM »

It isn't corrupt to give your supporters a ride to the polls. I guess I should qualify that by stating that it isn't corrupt as long as said supporters are eligible and registered voters. Wink
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« Reply #67 on: October 06, 2012, 11:54:12 AM »

It isn't corrupt to give your supporters a ride to the polls. I guess I should qualify that by stating that it isn't corrupt as long as said supporters are eligible and registered voters. Wink
I've volunteered for a number of US campaigns, and all of the larger ones (i.e. anything more important than state senator) had programs to give people rides to the polls. I actually think it's a good thing. I know one time an 82 year old lady who wouldn't have voted otherwise was able to vote because someone from the campaign drove her to the polls.
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« Reply #68 on: October 06, 2012, 02:23:11 PM »

How fair and transparent are elections these days in Venezuela ?

Are they rigged, are votes bought or voters intimidated ? Chavez supporters bussed to the polling places etc. ?

Who knows more ?

There are worries among anti-Chavez voters about the fingerprint identification system based on prior repercussions.
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« Reply #69 on: October 06, 2012, 06:33:26 PM »


Let's hope your prediction is as good as the French presidential one last spring. Wink
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« Reply #70 on: October 07, 2012, 01:00:02 AM »

When to expect the results?
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« Reply #71 on: October 07, 2012, 01:03:48 AM »


Polls close at 6pm local time, so results can be expected tomorrow morning here.

Or in CA, where you are right now, late in the evening today.
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« Reply #72 on: October 07, 2012, 07:28:28 AM »

Big turnout it seems (look at the pictures):

http://www.2001.com.ve/elecciones_2012/noticia.asp?registro=216495&titulo=Venezolanos-comenzaron-a-votar
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« Reply #73 on: October 07, 2012, 07:44:24 AM »

This is what final campaign events look like in Venezuela:





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« Reply #74 on: October 07, 2012, 10:40:18 AM »


Who does that help?
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