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« on: August 12, 2012, 03:53:00 pm »
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Romney/Ryan have a plan to get the nation back to fiscal health while maintaining obligations towards Social Security and Medicare, including maintaining the solvency of the programs for those who are under 55 years of age. Does Obama have a long-term plan, or does he simply plan on kicking the can down the road while becoming the presidential version of Gray Davis (i.e., going incredibly negative and somehow winning re-election despite a majority of voters disapproving of his job performance; subsequently doing nothing for the rest of his political career)?

Is this America's choice again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT3AwIrLQSE
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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2012, 04:11:46 pm »
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Obama has no plan to actually solve a problem.  This is evidenced by his first term in office, where you would have a real hard time thinking of a problem solved by BO's administration. 
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2012, 04:13:57 pm »
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Romney/Ryan have a plan to get the nation back to fiscal health while maintaining obligations towards Social Security and Medicare

No, they don't.
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2012, 04:15:52 pm »
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Obama has no plan to actually solve a problem.  This is evidenced by his first term in office, where you would have a real hard time thinking of a problem solved by BO's administration.  

In all fairness, Obamacare is an attempt to help more poor people gain healthcare access. Of course, the tradeoff Obama chose amounts to rationing Medicare for current seniors who paid into the system for decades. If you ask me, Obamacare is a bum deal for seniors who worked their entire life. It is a good deal for people who choose not to work because they think the world owes them a living, but why should seniors see their Medicare rationed in order to fund Obamacare?
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2012, 04:22:12 pm »
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Obama has no plan to actually solve a problem.  This is evidenced by his first term in office, where you would have a real hard time thinking of a problem solved by BO's administration.  

In all fairness, Obamacare is an attempt to help more poor people gain healthcare access. Of course, the tradeoff Obama chose amounts to rationing Medicare for current seniors who paid into the system for decades. If you ask me, Obamacare is a bum deal for seniors who worked their entire life. It is a good deal for people who choose not to work because they think the world owes them a living, but why should seniors see their Medicare rationed in order to fund Obamacare?
right... 0 problems solved (some "attempted") numerous problems created.  Thanks for the effort Barack!

if someone says: "we fixed the doughnut hole, precondition denials, and forced insurance to cover kids until they're 26" you aren't a serious person!  I could fix those problems without ruining the healthcare system, throwing the economy into a qusi recession, and wasting at least a trillion dollars. 
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2012, 04:23:02 pm »
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Romney/Ryan have a plan to get the nation back to fiscal health while maintaining obligations towards Social Security and Medicare

No, they don't.

Absolutely. It is a Democratic myth that Paul Ryan wants to end Medicare as we know it.
Paul Ryan even voted for Medicare Part D. The Democratic lies are a diversion from the fact that Obamacare takes resources from Medicare and shifts them towards poor people. Obama Hood: Take from seniors and give to the poor AKA robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Paul Ryan cares about America's seniors. Go ask anybody in his hometown. Ryan does have a major problem with this president's desire to kick the can down the road rather than solving the nation's fiscal problems. America does not need the presidential version of Gray Davis.
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2012, 04:24:30 pm »
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Haha, only one post in this thead is visible to me - Lief's.
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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2012, 04:30:37 pm »
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Haha, only one post in this thead is visible to me - Lief's.

So both you and Lief concede that Obama has no long-term plan for America?

Democrats are just supporting another Gray Davis again.
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2012, 04:31:17 pm »
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The details offered so far in the Ryan plan -- the tax cuts he's described in some detail, the proposed changes to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, the virtual elimination of all federal spending on anything except those three programs and defense -- would have the net effect of raising the deficit. The claim that his plan will reduce the deficit rests on the vague promise that tax loopholes and subsidies will be cut, to make his tax cuts revenue-neutral. And we all know what happened when the Tax Policy Center tried to figure out how to do that, making very generous assumptions about economic growth in the process.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/1001628-Base-Broadening-Tax-Reform.pdf

Now, frankly, if Ryan wants to eliminate the mortgage interest deduction, for example, I'd be all in favor. But it would be nice if he'd tell people first.
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2012, 04:36:28 pm »
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The details offered so far in the Ryan plan -- the tax cuts he's described in some detail, the proposed changes to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, the virtual elimination of all federal spending on anything except those three programs and defense --

That is precisely what the Romney/Ryan plan will do. It will maintain obligations towards Social Security/Medicare, defense, law/order and basic infrastructure. Anything that can be pushed onto the states will be pushed onto the states, and the states can decide what is worth paying for and what is not. I've been saying for months that Romney is going to do exactly this while reforming the tax code.

This election is a debate about the type of America we want to have. Romney/Ryan have offered a plan for the long-term that champions free enterprise, strong defense, maintaining obligations towards Social Security/Medicare, and providing law/order. Obama and Co. only offer lies and attacks out of the Gray Davis 2002 playbook. Obama has no plan for the future. His plan is to kick the can down the road. His plan amounts to massive tax hikes down the road to fund worthless government boondoggles that only special interests want.
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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2012, 04:41:41 pm »
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The details offered so far in the Ryan plan -- the tax cuts he's described in some detail, the proposed changes to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, the virtual elimination of all federal spending on anything except those three programs and defense --

That is precisely what the Romney/Ryan plan will do. It will maintain obligations towards Social Security/Medicare, defense, law/order and basic infrastructure. Anything that can be pushed onto the states will be pushed onto the states, and the states can decide what is worth paying for and what is not. I've been saying for months that Romney is going to do exactly this while reforming the tax code.

This election is a debate about the type of America we want to have. Romney/Ryan have offered a plan for the long-term that champions free enterprise, strong defense, maintaining obligations towards Social Security/Medicare, and providing law/order. Obama and Co. only offer lies and attacks out of the Gray Davis 2002 playbook. Obama has no plan for the future. His plan is to kick the can down the road. His plan amounts to massive tax hikes down the road to fund worthless government boondoggles that most everybody does not want.

So, where do you think Ryan would eliminate tax loopholes? And how much revenue would he raise in that way?
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2012, 04:47:27 pm »
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The details offered so far in the Ryan plan -- the tax cuts he's described in some detail, the proposed changes to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, the virtual elimination of all federal spending on anything except those three programs and defense --

That is precisely what the Romney/Ryan plan will do. It will maintain obligations towards Social Security/Medicare, defense, law/order and basic infrastructure. Anything that can be pushed onto the states will be pushed onto the states, and the states can decide what is worth paying for and what is not. I've been saying for months that Romney is going to do exactly this while reforming the tax code.

This election is a debate about the type of America we want to have. Romney/Ryan have offered a plan for the long-term that champions free enterprise, strong defense, maintaining obligations towards Social Security/Medicare, and providing law/order. Obama and Co. only offer lies and attacks out of the Gray Davis 2002 playbook. Obama has no plan for the future. His plan is to kick the can down the road. His plan amounts to massive tax hikes down the road to fund worthless government boondoggles that most everybody does not want.

So, where do you think Ryan would eliminate tax loopholes? And how much revenue would he raise in that way?

Tax rates are going to be cut across the board, so most of the loopholes eliminated (and there will be many, although details will be ironed out after the election) will simply offset the rate reduction. The simplification of the tax code will lower accounting costs for individuals and businesses, further reducing costs associated with taxes for those who utilize loopholes/accountants.

The funny part is that the overwhelming majority of loophole/exemption eliminations will only apply to the wealthiest Americans, but Democrats will lie about that.

By the way, you have a red avatar. Can you please tell us about Obama's long-term plan for America? With all of the red avatars on here you would think that at least one person on here could explain Obama's long-term plan or admit that he does not have one.
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2012, 04:54:58 pm »
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The details offered so far in the Ryan plan -- the tax cuts he's described in some detail, the proposed changes to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, the virtual elimination of all federal spending on anything except those three programs and defense --

That is precisely what the Romney/Ryan plan will do. It will maintain obligations towards Social Security/Medicare, defense, law/order and basic infrastructure. Anything that can be pushed onto the states will be pushed onto the states, and the states can decide what is worth paying for and what is not. I've been saying for months that Romney is going to do exactly this while reforming the tax code.

This election is a debate about the type of America we want to have. Romney/Ryan have offered a plan for the long-term that champions free enterprise, strong defense, maintaining obligations towards Social Security/Medicare, and providing law/order. Obama and Co. only offer lies and attacks out of the Gray Davis 2002 playbook. Obama has no plan for the future. His plan is to kick the can down the road. His plan amounts to massive tax hikes down the road to fund worthless government boondoggles that most everybody does not want.

So, where do you think Ryan would eliminate tax loopholes? And how much revenue would he raise in that way?

Tax rates are going to be cut across the board, so most of the loopholes eliminated (and there will be many, although details will be ironed out after the election) will simply offset the rate reduction. The simplification of the tax code will lower accounting costs for individuals and businesses, further reducing costs associated with taxes for those who utilize loopholes/accountants.

The funny part is that the overwhelming majority of loophole/exemption eliminations will only apply to the wealthiest Americans, but Democrats will lie about that.

By the way, you have a red avatar. Can you please tell us about Obama's long-term plan for America? With all of the red avatars on here you would think that at least one person on here could explain Obama's long-term plan or admit that he does not have one.
I've never understood the GOP myth that Acrosss the Board tax cuts will pull us from recession and not raise the Deficit. The middle class are the ones who spend money in the economy. By the spending of money (70 percent of the economy), they make companies run low on products and have to mamie more. They will need to add more workers to do that, which leads to employment growth. Focused tax cuts are the best and get the best result. And they don't cost nearly as much as across the board ones
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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2012, 05:00:47 pm »
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Democratic Rhetoric

Your point is duly noted. Does Obama have a plan for the long-term or does he just plan on kicking the can down the road?

If Romney loses, at least we can remind everybody in four years that we had a plan for America's long-term while Democrats wallow in their support of the presidential version of Gray Davis.
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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2012, 05:03:56 pm »
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Obama has a plan and he will implement it when the economy is not in danger of falling back into recession thanks to draconian cuts.
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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2012, 05:05:39 pm »
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Obama has a plan and he will implement it when the economy is not in danger of falling back into recession thanks to draconian cuts.

In other words, this ad captures the essence of the campaign if you replace Reaganomics with Romneynomics and Mondalenomics with Obamanomics:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT3AwIrLQSE
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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2012, 05:06:01 pm »
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Democratic Rhetoric

Your point is duly noted. Does Obama have a plan for the long-term or does he just plan on kicking the can down the road?

If Romney loses, at least we can remind everybody in four years that we had a plan for America's long-term while Democrats wallow in their support of the presidential version of Gray Davis.
Two Words: SIMPSON-BOWLES
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Obama has a plan and he will implement it when the economy is not in danger of falling back into recession thanks to draconian cuts.


This actually means his plan is to do nothing for 4 more years....at which point the next recession will be upon us or close to it based on the typical length of the US business cycle.
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Democratic Rhetoric

Your point is duly noted. Does Obama have a plan for the long-term or does he just plan on kicking the can down the road?

If Romney loses, at least we can remind everybody in four years that we had a plan for America's long-term while Democrats wallow in their support of the presidential version of Gray Davis.
Two Words: SIMPSON-BOWLES

Two words describe the Simpson-Bowles plan: MORE TAXES

Is Obama ready to double-down on this?
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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2012, 05:07:55 pm »
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Obama has a plan and he will implement it when the economy is not in danger of falling back into recession thanks to draconian cuts.

Does the Obama plan that you allege exists have any details, beyond repealing the Bush tax cuts for "the rich," and increasing taxes on capital gains and dividends for "the rich," which deals with about 5% or so of the deficit bomb?  Or do we find that out after the election?
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« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2012, 05:09:43 pm »
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Obama has a plan and he will implement it when the economy is not in danger of falling back into recession thanks to draconian cuts.


This actually means his plan is to do nothing for 4 more years....at which point the next recession will be upon us or close to it based on the typical length of the US business cycle.

Bingo.

Obama simply plans on kicking the can down the road while being the presidential version of Gray Davis. No thank you!

The nation needs to get serious before it's too late! Romney/Ryan offers a serious plan for the future. We are still waiting for a serious commitment from Obama.

If we win, we get to turn America around. If Democrats win, they're stuck with the presidential version of Gray Davis. Either way, Democrats lose.
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« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2012, 05:11:12 pm »
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Obama has no plan. He merely demagogue, or at least attempt to. His hope for reelection is betting that the American people are ignorants to facts, and that he can skid by without a real plan to combat America's fiscal challenges.
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« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2012, 05:11:21 pm »
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this thread is so terrible
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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2012, 05:12:42 pm »
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Democratic Rhetoric

Your point is duly noted. Does Obama have a plan for the long-term or does he just plan on kicking the can down the road?

If Romney loses, at least we can remind everybody in four years that we had a plan for America's long-term while Democrats wallow in their support of the presidential version of Gray Davis.
Two Words: SIMPSON-BOWLES

Two words describe the Simpson-Bowles plan: MORE TAXES

Is Obama ready to double-down on this?
Five more words to describe the Simpson-Bowles plan: LONG TERM BALANCED DEFICIT REDUCTION
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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2012, 05:13:38 pm »
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And SHORT TERM STIMULUS
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