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AmericanNation
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« on: August 12, 2012, 04:11:46 PM »

Obama has no plan to actually solve a problem.  This is evidenced by his first term in office, where you would have a real hard time thinking of a problem solved by BO's administration. 
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2012, 04:22:12 PM »
« Edited: August 12, 2012, 04:26:28 PM by AmericanNation »

Obama has no plan to actually solve a problem.  This is evidenced by his first term in office, where you would have a real hard time thinking of a problem solved by BO's administration.  

In all fairness, Obamacare is an attempt to help more poor people gain healthcare access. Of course, the tradeoff Obama chose amounts to rationing Medicare for current seniors who paid into the system for decades. If you ask me, Obamacare is a bum deal for seniors who worked their entire life. It is a good deal for people who choose not to work because they think the world owes them a living, but why should seniors see their Medicare rationed in order to fund Obamacare?
right... 0 problems solved (some "attempted") numerous problems created.  Thanks for the effort Barack!

if someone says: "we fixed the doughnut hole, precondition denials, and forced insurance to cover kids until they're 26" you aren't a serious person!  I could fix those problems without ruining the healthcare system, throwing the economy into a qusi recession, and wasting at least a trillion dollars. 
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2012, 10:47:42 AM »

1) Obama is more opposed to Simpson-Bowls, than in favor of it.  So, that obviously isn't his plan.
2) The Ryan plan is the only serious plan(s) with a chance of passage in existence.
3) Obama hasn't outlined anything other than GENERIC BUMPER STICKER RHETORIC and Raising Taxes. 
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2012, 11:35:40 AM »

Both Romney and Obama will be working with a very conservative House of Representatives. That informs how much power each would have to pass "their plan." A 100% Obama plan is DOA in Congress so is pointless to talk about.
Shouldn't a guy who has been running for/actually president (for 5.5 years) have a plan at some point?  regardless of the house's composition.   
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2012, 06:08:04 AM »


As mentioned in that article, the Obama/Biden "plan" is to kick the can down the road and leave their successor to worry about the solvency of Medicare and Social Security. The current path is bankruptcy for Medicare in 2024. That is a little over a decade from now. Furthermore, Obamacare takes resources from Medicare to support better coverage for the poor. It's like Robin Hood; it's Obama Hood: Take from seniors to give to the poor. Put differently, it's robbing Peter to pay Paul. Maybe America's myopic youth only care about gay marriage, but America's seniors and soon-to-be-seniors, and even people Paul Ryan's age, care about solving our fiscal problems today, tomorrow, ten years from now and onward.
Their's some truth to this. But the Ryan Medicare plan is also "Robin Hood" in a sense- it steals from generations X, Y and Z so as to sustain traditional Medicare for the Baby Boomers and Silent Generation.

Not necessarily. If Romney/Ryan transform the federal government into the type of small government that is committed to just a few things (i.e., SS/Medicare, defense, law/order, basic infrastructure) rather than continuing the era of Big Government, it may be possible to get our fiscal house in order in such a way to maintain obligations towards Medicare for every American alive today, tomorrow and one hundred years from now. Obviously the trade-off is cutting other programs and shifting as much spending as possible onto the states to decide what is worth paying for and what is not.

The bottomline: A continuation of the era of Big Government is going to lead to broken promises and dismal results, both of which will be magnified if Obama continues to kick the can down the road. Shifting towards a smaller, more efficient government may still lead to permanent solvency of Medicare and Social Security, though.
It isn't "burdening" the next generations.  In most cases it is giving them a better deal and/or more options(choices).  Democrats hate choices (except the A word one).  They think a private social security account were you could easily get a 2-4% return compounded over your entire career (plus a transferable asset to your family) is worse than a 0.001% return from the government ponzi scheme.  They fear giving people the ability to choose one or the other because almost everyone is going to choose the one they oppose for stupid ideological reasons.  A medicare voucher for someone 20 years from now is the same thing.  A lot of benefits vs. very few negatives.       
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