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« on: August 12, 2012, 10:43:05 pm »
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"The Wisconsin Congressman has voted at least three times in opposition to the embargo. A handful of current and former Republican Cuban-American lawmakers, who didnt want to be identified for fear of bucking their own party, told The Miami Herald that Ryans record on the Cuban embargo might disappoint Cuban voters, who comprise 72 percent of the GOP electorate in Miami-Dade, Floridas largest county."
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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2012, 11:13:23 pm »
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I actually agree with Ryan 100% on this issue.
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2012, 11:18:06 pm »
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Yeah, this is one of his rare not insane positions. I doubt this will sway many Cubans to vote for Obama though.
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2012, 11:23:06 pm »
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He's right on the embargo, it serves no real purpose. Among Cuban voters that really are concerned about the embargo, it may be enough for them not to vote at all.
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2012, 11:25:13 pm »
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Elderly Cuban voters (the only ones who still care about it) will just have to shut up and swallow it. There is no way in hell that old Cubans are going to vote for Obama.
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2012, 11:26:19 pm »
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It is kind of hilarious though how Paul Ryan is basically the worst candidate for the state of Florida ever.
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2012, 11:43:52 pm »
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Elderly Cuban voters (the only ones who still care about it) will just have to shut up and swallow it. There is no way in hell that old Cubans are going to vote for Obama.

They can stay home or cast a blank ballot tho.
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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2012, 12:04:25 am »
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I'm with Ryan here. He produces a valid point.
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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2012, 12:16:03 am »
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Ryan's correct.
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« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2012, 12:20:44 am »
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Elderly Cuban voters (the only ones who still care about it) will just have to shut up and swallow it. There is no way in hell that old Cubans are going to vote for Obama.

So they'll just blindly vote Republican even if that means free trade with Cuba and "government will mess with their Medicare"?
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« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2012, 12:21:58 am »
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Elderly Cuban voters (the only ones who still care about it) will just have to shut up and swallow it. There is no way in hell that old Cubans are going to vote for Obama.

So they'll just blindly vote Republican even if that means free trade with Cuba and "government will mess with their Medicare"?

Voters are not rational. This is the mistake we make everytime; stop assuming you can intelligently convince a section of the public to support something.
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« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2012, 12:33:03 am »
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Ryan's actually (a shocker) right on this issue in my opinion, but old Cubans staying home isn't a good thing for the campaign he's been grafted on to. Not convinced the media will make a big deal out of this but some sort of whisper campaign in the Miami area might be in the offing.
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« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2012, 01:26:08 am »
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A broken clock is right twice each day. What's so shocking?

I guess Ryan's congressional record, showing his trying to balance between his deontological worldview and interest-group politics, is tragic in that absurd way. Same is said of the Romney campaign really.
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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2012, 01:30:05 am »

Lots of Midwestern members of Congress from both parties are anti-embargo for Cuba, because of the potential profits for farming states.  (Not to say that there isn't principle involved for some of them as well.)  However, standard operating procedure is that the VP candidate changes his positions to align with the guy at the top of the ticket.  So all that really matters here is Romney's position.
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« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2012, 01:56:06 am »
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Even Jim Inhofe wants to repeal the embargo for the record.
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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2012, 06:43:27 am »
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This issue is so indisputably obvious that even Paul Ryan is correct on it.
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