SENATE BILL: National University and General Education Reform bill (Law'd)

[LastVoter]

Aye

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

NAY!


Outdid you Scott.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

NAY!!!

[Redalgo]

Nay, though I think it may warrant its own legislation and deliberation in the future.

[Napoleon]

Four days, five days, whatever the length of time it has been this has been sitting too long with no discussion.

Well what were you waiting for? You could have opened a vote...I ask that this amendment be deemed frivolous, it has nothing to do with the sponsor's intentions and should be considered as a separate bill if the Senator feels strongly about this.

How is this substantiated? And why are you trying to micromanage Senate work?

I am the primary author of this bill and campaigned on these policies so it is my duty to fight for it to pass. I certainly wont sign what would be a hostile takeover of a decent bill if you want your idea to have a chance of getting signed into law you should go about it the right way. I don't see what is unfair about that. You have had plenty of time to put together your own bill instead of trying whatever it is your trying.

I can understand being passionate about something in politics. But it is no justification to use a heavy handed tactic to deprive someone who disagress with one the right to offer his ideas.

Yeah, that's absolutely awesome considering I am not depriving anyone the right to offer ideas, I am suggesting they go about it in the right way. Your hyperbolic campaign language doesn't change that. I want Seatown to realize that he would be more successful working with others than against them.

[CLARENCE 2015!]

Nay

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Four days, five days, whatever the length of time it has been this has been sitting too long with no discussion.

Well what were you waiting for? You could have opened a vote...I ask that this amendment be deemed frivolous, it has nothing to do with the sponsor's intentions and should be considered as a separate bill if the Senator feels strongly about this.

How is this substantiated? And why are you trying to micromanage Senate work?

I am the primary author of this bill and campaigned on these policies so it is my duty to fight for it to pass. I certainly wont sign what would be a hostile takeover of a decent bill if you want your idea to have a chance of getting signed into law you should go about it the right way. I don't see what is unfair about that. You have had plenty of time to put together your own bill instead of trying whatever it is your trying.

I can understand being passionate about something in politics. But it is no justification to use a heavy handed tactic to deprive someone who disagress with one the right to offer his ideas.

Yeah, that's absolutely awesome considering I am not depriving anyone the right to offer ideas, I am suggesting they go about it in the right way. Your hyperbolic campaign language doesn't change that. I want Seatown to realize that he would be more successful working with others than against them.

Through the bill amendment process you are. He probably should offer it as a separate bill, but once again that is a political consideration regarding the chances of his success and so forth. As far as procedures are concerned though, there is no wrong way when considering whether to do it as a seperate bill or through altering an existing one, provided it is substantive and relevant to the overall topic. If he was amending it to say something stupid like "School sucks!" then there would be a legitimate reason to declare it as frivolous.

Yes he should, but it isn't going to matter very much in less than an hour, at least not for a while.

[Sbane]

Nay

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Nay

[Svensson]

A resounding NAY.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Now comes an even harder part. Determing who succeeds who in an election that changed 4/5 At-Large seats.


I assume it is like this:
Andy > BK
Seatown > MB
TJ > Hagrid
Worms > NVTownsend.

It is only an issue if Marokai votes here  and differently from Seatown, because neither TJ nor Andy did and Worms well he was pre-disposed of.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Amendment 50:41 by Seatown:

Aye (1): Seatown
Nay (: Ben, Clarence, HagridOftheDeep, NC Yankee, NVTownsend, Redalgo, sbane and Scott
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (1): AndrewTX/BK, Marokai Blue (Didn't alter predecessors Vote), TJ (Vote cast be successor)

The amendment has failed.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Can we do a final vote?

[Sbane]

Yes, I request a final vote.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Yes, I request a final vote.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senators, this bill is now at final vote, please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Aye

[Sbane]

Aye

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Aye.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I knew something was wrong here and have for two weeks. Now I know why, I completely missed this post by Sbane. It was the last post on that page and discussion carried over onto the next one so I missed it. Sbane, why didn't you call me out on this when at the beginning of the month, when I asked about remaining business?

I object to Ben's amendment and it is unfriendly now. We need to appropriate more money to construct and run the university. Here is my own amendment:

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[Redalgo]

So are we still at a final vote, or is there an amendment to vote on?

[Bacon King]

So are we still at a final vote, or is there an amendment to vote on?

Final vote officially gets cancelled when the Presiding Officer notes that an amendment was missed

[Bacon King]

Now comes an even harder part. Determing who succeeds who in an election that changed 4/5 At-Large seats.


I assume it is like this:
Andy > BK
Seatown > MB
TJ > Hagrid
Worms > NVTownsend.

It is only an issue if Marokai votes here  and differently from Seatown, because neither TJ nor Andy did and Worms well he was pre-disposed of.

For future reference btw, here are the rules on At-Large Senate seat succession.

(I think you're right but I'm not exactly sure if me and NV should be switched maybe; dunno how Wormy's vacancy comes into play).


https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Proportional_Representation_Act#Section_6:_Succession_of_Seats

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[Sbane]

I knew something was wrong here and have for two weeks. Now I know why, I completely missed this post by Sbane. It was the last post on that page and discussion carried over onto the next one so I missed it. Sbane, why didn't you call me out on this when at the beginning of the month, when I asked about remaining business?

I object to Ben's amendment and it is unfriendly now. We need to appropriate more money to construct and run the university. Here is my own amendment:

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Did someone actually object to my amendment? I guess we do need to vote on Ben's amendment even though I just appropriated more money than he did.