what is your dream cabinet

[Wolfentoad]

Post your dream cabinet here for 2016 or 2012.



Vice President of the United States
 


Secretary of State
 
 
Secretary of the Treasury
 
 
Secretary of Defense
 
 
Attorney General
 
Secretary of the interior

 
Secretary of Agriculture
 

 
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Secretary of Labor
 



 
Secretary of Health and Human Services
 

 
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
 
 
Secretary of Transportation
 

 
Secretary of Energy
 

 
Secretary of Education
 
Secretary of Veterans Affairs
 
 
Secretary of Homeland Security
 

[They Played The Wardrum Out Of Time]

2016

President - Marco Rubio (R-FL)
Vice President of the United States - Pat Toomey (R-PA)
Secretary of State - Jon Huntsman (D-UT)*
Secretary of the Treasury - Jim DeMint (R-SC)
Secretary of Defense - Scott Brown (R-MA)
Attorney General - Chris Christie (R-NJ)
Secretary of the Interior - Brian Schweitzer (D-MT)
Secretary of Agriculture - Terry Branstad (R-IA)
Secretary of Commerce - Paul Ryan (R-WI)
Secretary of Labor - Mike Enzi (R-WY)
Secretary of Health and Human Services - Rand Paul (R-KY)
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development  - Judy Biggert (R-IL)
Secretary of Transportation - Tim Pawlenty (R-MN)
Secretary of Energy - Sarah Palin (R-AK)
Secretary of Education - Rick Santorum (R-PA)
Secretary of Veterans Affairs - John McCain (R-AZ)
Secretary of Homeland Security - Tom Coburn (R-OK)

* = Assuming Huntsman becomes a Democrat before 2016.

[Emperor SJoyce]

President: SJoyceFla (L-FL)
Vice President: Russ Feingold (D-WI)
Chief of Staff: Walter B. Jones (R-NC)
Administrator of the EPA: Charlie Crist (I-FL)
Director of the OMB: Dave Freudenthal (D-WY)
Ambassador to the United Nations: John Baldacci (D-ME)
Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisors: John Kitzhaber (D-OR)
Trade Representative: Justin Amash (R-MI)
Administrator of the Small Business Association: Jeff Flake (R-AZ)
Secretary of State: Bill Richardson (D-NM)
Secretary of the Treasury: Ron Paul (R-TX)
Secretary of Defense: Chuck Hagel (R-NE)
Attorney General: Andrew Napolitano (R-NJ)
Secretary of Interior: Jon Tester (D-MT)
Secretary of Agriculture: Brian Schweitzer (D-MT)
Secretary of Commerce: Max Cleland (D-GA)
Secretary of Labor: John Lynch (D-NH)
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Dennis Kucinich (D-OH)
Secretary of Transportation: Jim Webb (D-VA)
Secretary of Energy: Mike Gravel (L-AK)
Secretary of Health and Human Services: Rand Paul (R-KY)
Secretary of Education: William Weld (R-MA)
Secretary of Veterans' Affairs: John McCain (R-AZ)
Secretary of Homeland Security: Gary Johnson (L-NM)

[Lieutenant Governor Clinton1996]

2016

President - Josiah "Jed" Bartlett (D-NH)
Vice President of the United States - Matt Santos (D-TX)
Secretary of State - Jon Huntsman (I-UT)
Secretary of the Treasury - Warren Buffett (I-NB)
Secretary of Defense - John McCain (R-AZ)
Attorney General - Andrew Cuomo (D-NY)
Secretary of the Interior - Brian Schweitzer (D-MT)
Secretary of Agriculture - Terry Branstad (R-IA)
Secretary of Commerce - Mitt Romney (R-MA)
Secretary of Labor - Paul Krugman (I-NY)
Secretary of Health and Human Services - Howard Dean (D-VT)
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development  - Rahm Emmanuel (D-IL)
Secretary of Transportation - Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-IL)
Secretary of Energy - Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Secretary of Education - Jeb Bush (R-FL)
Secretary of Veterans Affairs -  Max Cleland (D-GA)
Secretary of Homeland Security - Tom Coburn (R-OK)

Chief of Staff- Leo McGarry
Deputy Chief of Staff- Josh Lyman
Press Secretary- CJ Craig
Communications Director- Toby Zeigler
Deputy Communications Director- Sam Seaborn

Awwww West Wing Nostalgia

[They Played The Wardrum Out Of Time]

Secretary of the Treasury - Warren Buffett (I-NB)
Secretary of Defense - John McCain (R-AZ)
Secretary of Labor - Paul Krugman (I-NY)
Secretary of Health and Human Services - Howard Dean (D-VT)
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development  - Rahm Emmanuel (D-IL)
Secretary of Transportation - Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-IL)
Secretary of Education - Jeb Bush (R-PA)

oh boy

[HagridOfTheDeep]

2016

President - Josiah "Jed" Bartlett (D-NH)
Vice President of the United States - Matt Santos (D-TX)
Secretary of State - Jon Huntsman (I-UT)
Secretary of the Treasury - Warren Buffett (I-NB)
Secretary of Defense - John McCain (R-AZ)
Attorney General - Andrew Cuomk (D-NY)
Secretary of the Interior - Brian Schweitzer (D-MT)
Secretary of Agriculture - color=blue]Terry Branstad (R-IA)[/color]
Secretary of Commerce - Mitt Romney (R-MA)
Secretary of Labor - Paul Krugman (I-NY)
Secretary of Health and Human Services - Howard Dean (D-VT)
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development  - Rahm Emmanuel (D-IL)
Secretary of Transportation - Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-IL)
Secretary of Energy - Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Secretary of Education - Jeb Bush (R-FL)
Secretary of Veterans Affairs -  Max Cleland (D-GA)
Secretary of Homeland Security - Tom Coburn (R-OK)

That is a very, very thoughtful cabinet. You're just missing Jack Bauer.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

2016

President - Josiah "Jed" Bartlett (D-NH)
Vice President of the United States - Matt Santos (D-TX)
Secretary of State - Jon Huntsman (I-UT)
Secretary of the Treasury - Warren Buffett (I-NB)
Secretary of Defense - John McCain (R-AZ)
Attorney General - Andrew Cuomo (D-NY)
Secretary of the Interior - Brian Schweitzer (D-MT)
Secretary of Agriculture - Terry Branstad (R-IA)
Secretary of Commerce - Mitt Romney (R-MA)
Secretary of Labor - Paul Krugman (I-NY)
Secretary of Health and Human Services - Howard Dean (D-VT)
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development  - Rahm Emmanuel (D-IL)
Secretary of Transportation - Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-IL)
Secretary of Energy - Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Secretary of Education - Jeb Bush (R-FL)
Secretary of Veterans Affairs -  Max Cleland (D-GA)
Secretary of Homeland Security - Tom Coburn (R-OK)

Chief of Staff- Leo McGarry
Deputy Chief of Staff- Josh Lyman
Press Secretary- CJ Craig
Communications Director- Toby Zeigler
Deputy Communications Director- Sam Seaborn

Awwww West Wing Nostalgia

Warren Buffett's a Democrat, and the abbreviation for Nebraska is NE, not NB.

[renegadedemocrat]

2016

President: Brian Schweitzer (D-MT)
Vice President: Al Franken (DFL-MN)
Secretary of State: Deval Patrick (D-MA)
Secretary of the Treasury: Mark Begich (D-AK)
Secretary of Defense: John McCain (R-AZ)
Attorney General: John Kerry (D-MA)
Secretary of the Interior: Dick Durbin (D-IL)
Secretary of Agriculture: Tim Pawlenty (R-MN)
Secretary of Commerce: Pete Stark (D-CA)
Secretary of Labor: Stephen Lynch (D-MA)
Secretary of Health and Human Services: Jim Matheson (D-UT)
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Lincoln Chafee (I-RI)
Secretary of Transportation: Howard Dean (D-VT)
Secretary of Energy: Evan Bayh (D-IN)
Secretary of Education: Michael Bloomberg (I-NY)
Secretary of Veterans Affairs: Joe Lieberman (Independent Democrat-CT)
Secretary of Homeland Security: Chris Christie (R-NJ)

[Wolfentoad]

2016

President: Brian Schweitzer (D-MT)
Vice President: Al Franken (DFL-MN)
Secretary of State: Deval Patrick (D-MA)
Secretary of the Treasury: Mark Begich (D-AK)
Secretary of Defense: John McCain (R-AZ)
Attorney General: John Kerry (D-MA)
Secretary of the Interior: Dick Durbin (D-IL)
Secretary of Agriculture: Tim Pawlenty (R-MN)
Secretary of Commerce: Pete Stark (D-CA)
Secretary of Labor: Stephen Lynch (D-MA)
Secretary of Health and Human Services: Jim Matheson (D-UT)
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Lincoln Chafee (I-RI)
Secretary of Transportation: Howard Dean (D-VT)
Secretary of Energy: Evan Bayh (D-IN)
Secretary of Education: Michael Bloomberg (I-NY)
Secretary of Veterans Affairs: Joe Lieberman (Independent Democrat-CT)
Secretary of Homeland Security: Chris Christie (R-NJ)

I like alot of this, but LOL Pete Stark, that senile atheist corrupt professional politician. That guy is horrible. So is Joe Lieberman.

[renegadedemocrat]

Yeah, I threw Liberman in to give some balance, I really don't like him. I do like Pete Stark, but he is nuts haha

[Supersonic]

2016

President - Marco Rubio (R-FL)
Vice President of the United States - Pat Toomey (R-PA)
Secretary of State - Jon Huntsman (D-UT)*
Secretary of the Treasury - Jim DeMint (R-SC)
Secretary of Defense - Scott Brown (R-MA)
Attorney General - Chris Christie (R-NJ)
Secretary of the Interior - Brian Schweitzer (D-MT)
Secretary of Agriculture - Terry Branstad (R-IA)
Secretary of Commerce - Paul Ryan (R-WI)
Secretary of Labor - Mike Enzi (R-WY)
Secretary of Health and Human Services - Rand Paul (R-KY)
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development  - Judy Biggert (R-IL)
Secretary of Transportation - Tim Pawlenty (R-MN)
Secretary of Energy - Sarah Palin (R-AK)
Secretary of Education - Rick Santorum (R-PA)
Secretary of Veterans Affairs - John McCain (R-AZ)
Secretary of Homeland Security - Tom Coburn (R-OK)

* = Assuming Huntsman becomes a Democrat before 2016.

I like this. I like this alot.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

I've done variations on this before, but, assuming it would be a few years from now, here is one of mine:
(PS: No, Jon Huntsman will never become a Democrat.)
2012

Vice President: John Thune (R-SD)

Secretary of State: Joe Lieberman (ID-CT)
Secretary of the Treasury: Herman Cain (R-GA)
Secretary of Defense: David Petraeus (?)
Attorney General: Chris Christie (R-NJ)
Secretary of Interior: Mike Enzi (R-WY)
Secretary of Agriculture: Terry Branstad (R-IA)
Secretary of Commerce: John Cornyn (R-TX)
Secretary of Labor: Thaddeus McCotter (R-MI)
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Jeb Bush (R-FL)
Secretary of Transportation: Mitch Daniels (R-IN)
Secretary of Energy: Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Secretary of Health and Human Services: John Sununu Sr. (R-NH)
Secretary of Education: Scott Walker (R-WI)
Secretary of Veterans' Affairs: John McCain (R-AZ)
Secretary of Homeland Security: George Pataki (R-NY)

2016

Vice President: John Thune (R-SD)

Secretary of State: Al D'Amato (R-NY)
Secretary of Treasury: Alan Simpson (R-WY)
Secretary of Defense: Susan Collins (R-ME)
Attorney General: Patrick Fitzgerald (?)
Secretary of Interior: Gordon Smith (R-OR)
Secretary of Agriculture: Sam Brownback (R-KS)
Seretary of Commerce: Jim Douglas (R-VT)
Secretary of Labor: John Kasich (R-OH)
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Duncan Hunter Sr. (R-CA)
Secretary of Transportation: Brian Sandoval (R-NV)
Secretary of Energy: Bobby Jindal (R-LA)
Secretary of Health and Human Services: Mike Rogers (R-MI)
Secretary of Education: Jim Edgar (R-IL)
Secretary of Veterans' Affairs: Allen West (R-FL)
Secretary of Homeland Security: Tom Corbett (R-PA)

Of course, this might need some tweaking for various reasons, but this is just what I would consider ideal.

[Emperor SJoyce]

Secretary of Defense: David Petraeus (?)

David Petraeus rejected as President Oldiesfreak's nominee for Secretary of Defense due to being illegal. Now what?

[CathKhan]

Secretary of Defense: David Petraeus (?)

David Petraeus rejected as President Oldiesfreak's nominee for Secretary of Defense due to being illegal. Now what?

As I recall, the Senate can and did wave that rule when they wanted (George Marshall, I think).

[Oldiesfreak1854]

Secretary of Defense: David Petraeus (?)

David Petraeus rejected as President Oldiesfreak's nominee for Secretary of Defense due to being illegal. Now what?

How did they do that?

[Emperor SJoyce]

Secretary of Defense: David Petraeus (?)

David Petraeus rejected as President Oldiesfreak's nominee for Secretary of Defense due to being illegal. Now what?

As I recall, the Senate can and did wave that rule when they wanted (George Marshall, I think).

Secretary of Defense: David Petraeus (?)

"It is hereby expressed as the intent of the Congress that the authority granted by this Act is not to be construed as approval by the Congress of continuing appointments of military men to the office of Secretary of Defense in the future. It is hereby expressed as the sense of the Congress that after General Marshall leaves the office of Secretary of Defense, no additional appointments of military men to that office shall be approved."-- Public Law 81-788 (passed because George Marshall was a five-star general, and Army regulations keep all five-star generals on active duty for life; Petraeus is four-star).

David Petraeus rejected as President Oldiesfreak's nominee for Secretary of Defense due to being illegal. Now what?

How did they do that?

Because before a Cabinet officer takes office, they have to be nominated and confirmed for the position. He is shot down due to it being illegal.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

Secretary of Defense: David Petraeus (?)

David Petraeus rejected as President Oldiesfreak's nominee for Secretary of Defense due to being illegal. Now what?

As I recall, the Senate can and did wave that rule when they wanted (George Marshall, I think).

Secretary of Defense: David Petraeus (?)

"It is hereby expressed as the intent of the Congress that the authority granted by this Act is not to be construed as approval by the Congress of continuing appointments of military men to the office of Secretary of Defense in the future. It is hereby expressed as the sense of the Congress that after General Marshall leaves the office of Secretary of Defense, no additional appointments of military men to that office shall be approved."-- Public Law 81-788 (passed because George Marshall was a five-star general, and Army regulations keep all five-star generals on active duty for life; Petraeus is four-star).

David Petraeus rejected as President Oldiesfreak's nominee for Secretary of Defense due to being illegal. Now what?

How did they do that?

Because before a Cabinet officer takes office, they have to be nominated and confirmed for the position. He is shot down due to it being illegal.

How is it illegal?  He would get confirmed if the Senate voted in favor of it.

[Emperor SJoyce]

Secretary of Defense: David Petraeus (?)

David Petraeus rejected as President Oldiesfreak's nominee for Secretary of Defense due to being illegal. Now what?

As I recall, the Senate can and did wave that rule when they wanted (George Marshall, I think).

Secretary of Defense: David Petraeus (?)

"It is hereby expressed as the intent of the Congress that the authority granted by this Act is not to be construed as approval by the Congress of continuing appointments of military men to the office of Secretary of Defense in the future. It is hereby expressed as the sense of the Congress that after General Marshall leaves the office of Secretary of Defense, no additional appointments of military men to that office shall be approved."-- Public Law 81-788 (passed because George Marshall was a five-star general, and Army regulations keep all five-star generals on active duty for life; Petraeus is four-star).

David Petraeus rejected as President Oldiesfreak's nominee for Secretary of Defense due to being illegal. Now what?

How did they do that?

Because before a Cabinet officer takes office, they have to be nominated and confirmed for the position. He is shot down due to it being illegal.

How is it illegal?  He would get confirmed if the Senate voted in favor of it.

Under the National Security Act of 1947 (and also the National Defense Authorization Act of 2008).

[CathKhan]

Oldies, I think that if you're a military man, you have to have been relieved of duty for ten years.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

OK, thanks for clarifying.

[TNF]

2012

Vice-President of the United States - Elizabeth Warren

Secretary of State - Former Senator Walter Mondale
Secretary of the Treasury - Director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau Richard Cordray
Secretary of Defense - Senator Jim Webb
Attorney General - Former Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm
Secretary of the Interior - Former Senator Byron Dorgan
Secretary of Agriculture - Shirley Sherrod
Secretary of Commerce - AFL-CIO Executive Vice President Arlene Holt-Baker
Secretary of Labor - Former AFL-CIO Executive Vice President Linda Chavez-Thompson
Secretary of Health and Human Services - Former SEIU President Andrew Stern
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development - Mayor Virg Bernero
Secretary of Transportation - Mayor R.T. Rybak
Secretary of Energy - Former Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell
Secretary of Education - Diane Ravitch
Secretary of Veterans Affairs - Former Senator Max Cleland
Secretary of Homeland Security - Erroll Southers

Cabinet Level Officers

White House Chief of Staff - Former Congressman David Bonoir
Director of the Office of Management and Budget - Congressman Raul Grijalva
Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency - Congressman Ed Markey
Trade Representative - Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur
Ambassador to the United Nations - Former Senator Fritz Hollings
Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers - New York Times Columnist Paul Krugman
Administrator of the Small Business Administration - American Apparel CEO Dov Charney

Inner circle of Advisors (not counting personal friends):
Columnist and author Michael Lind
Cambridge economist Ha-Joon Chang
AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka
Senator Sherrod Brown

Supreme Court candidates:
Richard Cordray
Jennifer Granholm
Eliot Spitzer
Jarrold Nadler

2016


Vice-President of the United States - Elizabeth Warren

Secretary of State - Trade Representative Marcy Kaptur
Secretary of the Treasury - Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Virg Bernero
Secretary of Defense - Secretary of Homeland Security Erroll Southers
Attorney General - Secretary of Transportation R.T. Rybak
Secretary of the Interior - Director of the Office of Management and Budget Raul Grijalva
Secretary of Agriculture - UN Ambassador Fritz Hollings
Secretary of Commerce - Small Business Administration Director Dov Charney
Secretary of Labor - Secretary of Health and Human Services Andrew Stern
Secretary of Health and Human Services - White House Chief of Staff David Bonoir
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development - Secretary of Energy Ed Rendell
Secretary of Transportation - Former Congressman Jim Oberstar
Secretary of Energy - Director of the Environmental Protection Agency Ed Markey
Secretary of Education - Attorney General Jennifer Granholm
Secretary of Veterans Affairs - Secretary of Defense Jim Webb
Secretary of Homeland Security - Secretary of Veterans Affairs Max Cleland

Cabinet Level Officers

White House Chief of Staff - Former House Leader Dick Gephardt
Director of the Office of Management and Budget - New York Times Columnist Paul Krugman
Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency -
Trade Representative - Secretary of Labor Linda Chavez-Thompson
Ambassador to the United Nations -  Secretary of Commerce Arlene Holt-Baker
Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers - Dr. Ha-Joon Chang
Administrator of the Small Business Administration - Congressional candidate Rob Zerban

Inner circle of Advisors (not counting personal friends):
Columnist and author Michael Lind
AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka
Senator Sherrod Brown
Sandra Fluke

Supreme Court candidates:
Unchanged

[後援会]

Guys, you know it's not a great idea to stack your cabinet with nothing but well-known political names. For one thing, you're taking a lot of people out of electoral politics that you probably want to KEEP in politics. This was the Obama mistake. Better to use people who are out of electoral politics, leaving electoral politics, or people from the other side in electoral politics, or even better, NOT POLITICIANS.

President - Me, because I am a Narcissist (R-NH)
Vice President of the United States - Mitt Romney (R-MA) [dat geographical diversity]
Secretary of State - Bob Zoellick (R-IL) [would love to keep Hillary, but she's peacing out]
Secretary of the Treasury - Jamie Dimon (D-NY) [a brilliant Democrat respected by GOP. Was on Obama's shortlist]
Secretary of Defense - Jim Talent (R-MO) [obvious choice]
Attorney General - Steve Cooley (R-CA) [done great work in CA, but unfortunately no path to statewide office]
Secretary of the Interior - Brad Carson (D-OK) [respected Democrat, extremely knowledable on Indian Affairs]
Secretary of Agriculture - Hugh Grant (?-MO) [Business acumen to advance US agriculture in the 21st century]
Secretary of Commerce - William M. Daley (D-IL) [Clinton-era Commerce Sec. Former Obama CoS. Did a decent job.]
Secretary of Labor - Steve Forbes (R-NJ) [should be a relentless reformer of labor markets]
Secretary of HHS - Donald Berwick (D-MA) [Most Republicans hate him, but I like him.]
Secretary of HUD - Walter R. Mead (D-SC) [Great thinker]
Secretary of Transportation - Joel Kotkin (?-CA) [Great thinker]
Secretary of Energy - Harold Hamm (?-OK) [Business acumen]
Secretary of Education - Joel Klein (D-NY) [Respected NY chancellor. Was on Obama's shortlist.]
Secretary of Veteran's Affairs - Eric Shinseki (D-HI) [Holdover from Obama]
Secretary of Homeland Security - Cofer Black (?-CT) [Respected security expert]

[Wolfentoad]

Guys, you know it's not a great idea to stack your cabinet with nothing but well-known political names. For one thing, you're taking a lot of people out of electoral politics that you probably want to KEEP in politics. This was the Obama mistake. Better to use people who are out of electoral politics, leaving electoral politics, or people from the other side in electoral politics, or even better, NOT POLITICIANS.

President - Me, because I am a Narcissist (R-NH)
Vice President of the United States - Mitt Romney (R-MA) [dat geographical diversity]
Secretary of State - Bob Zoellick (R-IL) [would love to keep Hillary, but she's peacing out]
Secretary of the Treasury - Jamie Dimon (D-NY) [a brilliant Democrat respected by GOP. Was on Obama's shortlist]
Secretary of Defense - Jim Talent (R-MO) [obvious choice]
Attorney General - Steve Cooley (R-CA) [done great work in CA, but unfortunately no path to statewide office]
Secretary of the Interior - Brad Carson (D-OK) [respected Democrat, extremely knowledable on Indian Affairs]
Secretary of Agriculture - Hugh Grant (?-MO) [Business acumen to advance US agriculture in the 21st century]
Secretary of Commerce - William M. Daley (D-IL) [Clinton-era Commerce Sec. Former Obama CoS. Did a decent job.]
Secretary of Labor - Steve Forbes (R-NJ) [should be a relentless reformer of labor markets]
Secretary of HHS - Donald Berwick (D-MA) [Most Republicans hate him, but I like him.]
Secretary of HUD - Walter R. Mead (D-SC) [Great thinker]
Secretary of Transportation - Joel Kotkin (?-CA) [Great thinker]
Secretary of Energy - Harold Hamm (?-OK) [Business acumen]
Secretary of Education - Joel Klein (D-NY) [Respected NY chancellor. Was on Obama's shortlist.]
Secretary of Veteran's Affairs - Eric Shinseki (D-HI) [Holdover from Obama]
Secretary of Homeland Security - Cofer Black (?-CT) [Respected security expert]

This is a pretty well thought out Cabinet.

[後援会]

This is a pretty well thought out Cabinet.

That was not the reaction I expected. I expected bipartisan hate.

[JerryArkansas]

President: Bill Clinton
Vice President: Hillary Clinton
Secretary of State: Condi Rice
Secretary of the Treasury: Bill Gates
Secretary of Defense: Chuck Hagel
Attorney General: Dustin McDaniel
Don't know who would be in rest