Abortion

[fezzyfestoon]

Flush 'em. And encourage dumb young women to do so. But that'll never happen because the government can't make more money for its members without population growth, so babies will continue to be softly encouraged.

Who decides which young women are dumb?  Or are you assuming that about all of them?

A vast majority, yes. Most young people are stupid, especially when it comes to a perspective on responsibility. Having a child as a teenager or even a little older strikes me as reeking of poor decision-making for a number of reasons.

[Free Palestine]

Flush 'em. And encourage dumb young women to do so. But that'll never happen because the government can't make more money for its members without population growth, so babies will continue to be softly encouraged.

Who decides which young women are dumb?  Or are you assuming that about all of them?

A vast majority, yes. Most young people are stupid, especially when it comes to a perspective on responsibility. Having a child as a teenager or even a little older strikes me as reeking of poor decision-making for a number of reasons.

It's probably horrible of me, I know, but I have a tendency to groan every time a teenage girl's first thought when she finds out she's preggers is not "well, off to Planned Parenthood."  I experienced this somewhat first-hand with my idiot cousin who I really don't care about at all.

[clarence]

Abortions are medical procedures that are, at times medically recommended and potentially life saving for the mother. There is no rationale I can agree with that makes abortion legal, but also not federally supported.

In these cases alone- I support the use of federal funds. Aside from this.... I am closest to Option 3

[Lіef]

Abortions should be completely legal with no questions asked up until the third trimester or so, and covered by a national single-payer healthcare (or something equivalent) system.

[Free Palestine]

Abortions should be completely legal with no questions asked up until the third trimester or so, and covered by a national single-payer healthcare (or something equivalent) system.

Jeebus, a year ago I wouldn't have thought I'd ever be to the left of you on an issue. 

[Likely Voter]

yes abortion should be legal. And if (and only if) a woman qualifies for Medicaid, then yes it should be covered, just like birth control is already covered under Medicaid (in some states). I never understood the legal (non-religious) argument for why birth control is covered but Abortion isn't.

[VP Duke]

Make abortion safe, legal and accessible to people. We don't need to go back to the days where women had to travel states, get them done underground by dangerous methods, etc, to have an abortion. We don't need to legislate morals in government. If you're pro-life, great, then don't abort that unplanned pregnancy, but if you aren't, you should have the freedom to get an abortion. It's not like it effects the pro-lifer.

[Progressive Realist]

At the root of most objections to abortion rights is an objection to women having control over their own lives.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Make abortion safe, legal and accessible to people. We don't need to go back to the days where women had to travel states, get them done underground by dangerous methods, etc, to have an abortion. We don't need to legislate morals in government. If you're pro-life, great, then don't abort that unplanned pregnancy, but if you aren't, you should have the freedom to get an abortion. It's not like it effects the pro-lifer.

Actually, if you are pro-life, you should wait until you are married to have sex. Case closed.

[asexual trans victimologist]

Make abortion safe, legal and accessible to people. We don't need to go back to the days where women had to travel states, get them done underground by dangerous methods, etc, to have an abortion. We don't need to legislate morals in government. If you're pro-life, great, then don't abort that unplanned pregnancy, but if you aren't, you should have the freedom to get an abortion. It's not like it effects the pro-lifer.

Actually, if you are pro-life, you should wait until you are married to have sex. Case closed.

Being 'pro-life' (a ridiculous and leading term, much like 'pro-choice') in this context would imply a deontological character to one's stance on the matter, not just a lifestyle preference. I also don't know where you're getting this idea, Steve, that being 'pro-life' and being opposed to premarital sex always coincide.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Make abortion safe, legal and accessible to people. We don't need to go back to the days where women had to travel states, get them done underground by dangerous methods, etc, to have an abortion. We don't need to legislate morals in government. If you're pro-life, great, then don't abort that unplanned pregnancy, but if you aren't, you should have the freedom to get an abortion. It's not like it effects the pro-lifer.

Actually, if you are pro-life, you should wait until you are married to have sex. Case closed.

Being 'pro-life' (a ridiculous and leading term, much like 'pro-choice') in this context would imply a deontological character to one's stance on the matter, not just a lifestyle preference. I also don't know where you're getting this idea, Steve, that being 'pro-life' and being opposed to premarital sex always coincide.

Let me put it to you this way. If you want abortion to be illegal, you should be prepared for the consequences of having casual sex without having all the options available to you. Of course there's child support. ...and if you make say, $40000 a year, that's like $400 a month for 216 months...and that's $86,400 for a lay. No random poon is worth that much..unless she's a porn star that you REALLY like...or God has come down to you and tells you that this is the hottest woman you will EVER be with. ..then again, you could be some woman who can't keep a man but can't afford $20,000 for invitro and decide just to have a kid on your own. But.. being pro-life like that is to traditional values the same way that Diet Coke is to a Super Sized Double Quarter Pounder meal....with a shake for dessert.

[asexual trans victimologist]

Make abortion safe, legal and accessible to people. We don't need to go back to the days where women had to travel states, get them done underground by dangerous methods, etc, to have an abortion. We don't need to legislate morals in government. If you're pro-life, great, then don't abort that unplanned pregnancy, but if you aren't, you should have the freedom to get an abortion. It's not like it effects the pro-lifer.

Actually, if you are pro-life, you should wait until you are married to have sex. Case closed.

Being 'pro-life' (a ridiculous and leading term, much like 'pro-choice') in this context would imply a deontological character to one's stance on the matter, not just a lifestyle preference. I also don't know where you're getting this idea, Steve, that being 'pro-life' and being opposed to premarital sex always coincide.

Let me put it to you this way. If you want abortion to be illegal, you should be prepared for the consequences of having casual sex without having all the options available to you. Of course there's child support.

Well obviously.

[Ebowed]

It should be entirely legal and costs covered under a universal health care scheme.

[Beet]

It should be legal up to a certain stage in the pregnancy beyond the first trimester, but not federally funded.

[shua]

Flush 'em. And encourage dumb young women to do so. But that'll never happen because the government can't make more money for its members without population growth, so babies will continue to be softly encouraged.

Who decides which young women are dumb?  Or are you assuming that about all of them?

A vast majority, yes. Most young people are stupid, especially when it comes to a perspective on responsibility. Having a child as a teenager or even a little older strikes me as reeking of poor decision-making for a number of reasons.

It's probably horrible of me, I know, but I have a tendency to groan every time a teenage girl's first thought when she finds out she's preggers is not "well, off to Planned Parenthood."  I experienced this somewhat first-hand with my idiot cousin who I really don't care about at all.

I love how it's pro-lifers who are considered "condescending."

[Free Palestine]

Flush 'em. And encourage dumb young women to do so. But that'll never happen because the government can't make more money for its members without population growth, so babies will continue to be softly encouraged.

Who decides which young women are dumb?  Or are you assuming that about all of them?

A vast majority, yes. Most young people are stupid, especially when it comes to a perspective on responsibility. Having a child as a teenager or even a little older strikes me as reeking of poor decision-making for a number of reasons.

It's probably horrible of me, I know, but I have a tendency to groan every time a teenage girl's first thought when she finds out she's preggers is not "well, off to Planned Parenthood."  I experienced this somewhat first-hand with my idiot cousin who I really don't care about at all.

I love how it's pro-lifers who are considered "condescending."

Well, I never said I'd legally mandate that all teens who get pregnant abort.

[greenforest32]

It should be entirely legal and costs covered under a universal health care scheme.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Flush 'em. And encourage dumb young women to do so. But that'll never happen because the government can't make more money for its members without population growth, so babies will continue to be softly encouraged.

Who decides which young women are dumb?  Or are you assuming that about all of them?

A vast majority, yes. Most young people are stupid, especially when it comes to a perspective on responsibility. Having a child as a teenager or even a little older strikes me as reeking of poor decision-making for a number of reasons.

It's probably horrible of me, I know, but I have a tendency to groan every time a teenage girl's first thought when she finds out she's preggers is not "well, off to Planned Parenthood."  I experienced this somewhat first-hand with my idiot cousin who I really don't care about at all.

I love how it's pro-lifers who are considered "condescending."

Well, I never said I'd legally mandate that all teens who get pregnant abort.

Now now, apparently pro-lifers' ideas are so great, they can't be refused, even in the cases of incest and rape.

[fezzyfestoon]

I love how it's pro-lifers who are considered "condescending."

What was condescending? And who called pro-lifers condescending?

[VP Duke]

Why does being pro-life mean we should just get rid of abortion nationwide? Like I hate tattoos and tons of body piercings but I don't think we should ban them nationwide because I don't like them. I understand abortion is dealing with human lives, but there has not been any evidence to show that life begins at conception.

[Formerly Californian Tony]

It should be entirely legal and costs covered under a universal health care scheme.

[Assistant to the Regional Manager Cathcon]

Why does being pro-life mean we should just get rid of abortion nationwide? Like I hate tattoos and tons of body piercings but I don't think we should ban them nationwide because I don't like them. I understand abortion is dealing with human lives, but there has not been any evidence to show that life begins at conception.

First off, for many many people, it's beyond a scientific belief. Secondly, technically, that is life as it is cells. The real argument would be of whether those cells constitute human life or not.

[fezzyfestoon]

First off, for many many people, it's beyond a scientific belief. Secondly, technically, that is life as it is cells. The real argument would be of whether those cells constitute human life or not.

That's why abortion should be legal. There's no definitive truth to when life begins, it's totally up to interpretation. One person can't legislate their subjective beliefs over another when not everyone believes in the truth they campaign for.

[TJ in Wisco]

That's why abortion should be legal. There's no definitive truth to when life begins, it's totally up to interpretation. One person can't legislate their subjective beliefs over another when not everyone believes in the truth they campaign for.

If you want to take the "we don't know which side is right and wrong" approach in this case there is a tremendous disparity in the consequences of each outcome; if it's not a person then outlawing it is forcing a woman to endure nine months of labor, but if it is a person then we're murdering 800,000 people a year.

[Vosem]

That's why abortion should be legal. There's no definitive truth to when life begins, it's totally up to interpretation. One person can't legislate their subjective beliefs over another when not everyone believes in the truth they campaign for.

If you want to take the "we don't know which side is right and wrong" approach in this case there is a tremendous disparity in the consequences of each outcome; if it's not a person then outlawing it is forcing a woman to endure nine months of labor, but if it is a person then we're murdering 800,000 people a year.

You forgot the consequence that if they are not aborted those 800,000 people a year become children whose parents (at least initially) don't want them. That's the concerning part, not the nine months of labor.