Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
October 24, 2014, 05:26:56 am
HomePredMockPollEVCalcAFEWIKIHelpLogin Register
News: Please delete your old personal messages.

+  Atlas Forum
|-+  General Politics
| |-+  Political Debate (Moderator: Beet)
| | |-+  Abortion
« previous next »
Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 5 Print
Poll
Question: What's your stance on abortion?
Abortion should be legal and federally funded   -44 (41.9%)
Abortion should be legal, but not federally funded   -29 (27.6%)
Abortion should not be legal and should not be federally funded   -29 (27.6%)
Other (please specify)   -3 (2.9%)
Show Pie Chart
Total Voters: 104

Author Topic: Abortion  (Read 3935 times)
fezzyfestoon
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 8287
United States


View Profile
« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2012, 01:00:40 pm »
Ignore

Flush 'em. And encourage dumb young women to do so. But that'll never happen because the government can't make more money for its members without population growth, so babies will continue to be softly encouraged.
Who decides which young women are dumb?  Or are you assuming that about all of them?

A vast majority, yes. Most young people are stupid, especially when it comes to a perspective on responsibility. Having a child as a teenager or even a little older strikes me as reeking of poor decision-making for a number of reasons.
Logged
Free Palestine
FallenMorgan
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 8100
United States
Political Matrix
E: -10.00, S: -10.00

View Profile
« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2012, 01:29:09 pm »
Ignore

Flush 'em. And encourage dumb young women to do so. But that'll never happen because the government can't make more money for its members without population growth, so babies will continue to be softly encouraged.
Who decides which young women are dumb?  Or are you assuming that about all of them?

A vast majority, yes. Most young people are stupid, especially when it comes to a perspective on responsibility. Having a child as a teenager or even a little older strikes me as reeking of poor decision-making for a number of reasons.

It's probably horrible of me, I know, but I have a tendency to groan every time a teenage girl's first thought when she finds out she's preggers is not "well, off to Planned Parenthood."  I experienced this somewhat first-hand with my idiot cousin who I really don't care about at all.
Logged

Free Bradley Manning
President John Hay
clarence
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4731
United States


View Profile
« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2012, 01:32:55 pm »
Ignore

Abortions are medical procedures that are, at times medically recommended and potentially life saving for the mother. There is no rationale I can agree with that makes abortion legal, but also not federally supported.
In these cases alone- I support the use of federal funds. Aside from this.... I am closest to Option 3
Logged

Lief
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 33556


View Profile
« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2012, 01:35:14 pm »
Ignore

Abortions should be completely legal with no questions asked up until the third trimester or so, and covered by a national single-payer healthcare (or something equivalent) system.
Logged

Free Palestine
FallenMorgan
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 8100
United States
Political Matrix
E: -10.00, S: -10.00

View Profile
« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2012, 01:39:16 pm »
Ignore

Abortions should be completely legal with no questions asked up until the third trimester or so, and covered by a national single-payer healthcare (or something equivalent) system.

Jeebus, a year ago I wouldn't have thought I'd ever be to the left of you on an issue.  Tongue
Logged

Free Bradley Manning
Likely Voter
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4660


View Profile
« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2012, 01:46:38 pm »
Ignore

yes abortion should be legal. And if (and only if) a woman qualifies for Medicaid, then yes it should be covered, just like birth control is already covered under Medicaid (in some states). I never understood the legal (non-religious) argument for why birth control is covered but Abortion isn't.

Logged

Duke
AHDuke99
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 20032


View Profile
« Reply #31 on: August 21, 2012, 03:14:17 pm »
Ignore

Make abortion safe, legal and accessible to people. We don't need to go back to the days where women had to travel states, get them done underground by dangerous methods, etc, to have an abortion. We don't need to legislate morals in government. If you're pro-life, great, then don't abort that unplanned pregnancy, but if you aren't, you should have the freedom to get an abortion. It's not like it effects the pro-lifer.
Logged
They call me PR
Progressive Realist
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 5472
United States


View Profile
« Reply #32 on: August 21, 2012, 04:32:05 pm »
Ignore

At the root of most objections to abortion rights is an objection to women having control over their own lives.
Logged
MooMooMoo
Angry_Weasel
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 12572
United States


View Profile
« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2012, 03:15:08 pm »
Ignore

Make abortion safe, legal and accessible to people. We don't need to go back to the days where women had to travel states, get them done underground by dangerous methods, etc, to have an abortion. We don't need to legislate morals in government. If you're pro-life, great, then don't abort that unplanned pregnancy, but if you aren't, you should have the freedom to get an abortion. It's not like it effects the pro-lifer.

Actually, if you are pro-life, you should wait until you are married to have sex. Case closed.
Logged


the result is a sense that we were told to attend a lavish dinner party that was going to be wonderful and by the time we got there, all the lobster and steak had been eaten, a fight had broken out, the police had been called and all that was left was warm beer and chips.
[/quot
asexual trans victimologist
Nathan
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 12651


View Profile
« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2012, 04:13:26 pm »
Ignore

Make abortion safe, legal and accessible to people. We don't need to go back to the days where women had to travel states, get them done underground by dangerous methods, etc, to have an abortion. We don't need to legislate morals in government. If you're pro-life, great, then don't abort that unplanned pregnancy, but if you aren't, you should have the freedom to get an abortion. It's not like it effects the pro-lifer.

Actually, if you are pro-life, you should wait until you are married to have sex. Case closed.

Being 'pro-life' (a ridiculous and leading term, much like 'pro-choice') in this context would imply a deontological character to one's stance on the matter, not just a lifestyle preference. I also don't know where you're getting this idea, Steve, that being 'pro-life' and being opposed to premarital sex always coincide.
Logged

A shameless agrarian collectivist with no respect for private property or individual rights.

His idea of freedom is - it is a bad thing and should be stopped at all costs.

Nathan-land.  As much fun as watching paint dry... literally.
MooMooMoo
Angry_Weasel
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 12572
United States


View Profile
« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2012, 04:27:13 pm »
Ignore

Make abortion safe, legal and accessible to people. We don't need to go back to the days where women had to travel states, get them done underground by dangerous methods, etc, to have an abortion. We don't need to legislate morals in government. If you're pro-life, great, then don't abort that unplanned pregnancy, but if you aren't, you should have the freedom to get an abortion. It's not like it effects the pro-lifer.

Actually, if you are pro-life, you should wait until you are married to have sex. Case closed.

Being 'pro-life' (a ridiculous and leading term, much like 'pro-choice') in this context would imply a deontological character to one's stance on the matter, not just a lifestyle preference. I also don't know where you're getting this idea, Steve, that being 'pro-life' and being opposed to premarital sex always coincide.

Let me put it to you this way. If you want abortion to be illegal, you should be prepared for the consequences of having casual sex without having all the options available to you. Of course there's child support. Wink ...and if you make say, $40000 a year, that's like $400 a month for 216 months...and that's $86,400 for a lay. No random poon is worth that much..unless she's a porn star that you REALLY like...or God has come down to you and tells you that this is the hottest woman you will EVER be with. ..then again, you could be some woman who can't keep a man but can't afford $20,000 for invitro and decide just to have a kid on your own. But.. being pro-life like that is to traditional values the same way that Diet Coke is to a Super Sized Double Quarter Pounder meal....with a shake for dessert.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2012, 04:34:38 pm by Steve French »Logged


the result is a sense that we were told to attend a lavish dinner party that was going to be wonderful and by the time we got there, all the lobster and steak had been eaten, a fight had broken out, the police had been called and all that was left was warm beer and chips.
[/quot
asexual trans victimologist
Nathan
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 12651


View Profile
« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2012, 04:31:29 pm »
Ignore

Make abortion safe, legal and accessible to people. We don't need to go back to the days where women had to travel states, get them done underground by dangerous methods, etc, to have an abortion. We don't need to legislate morals in government. If you're pro-life, great, then don't abort that unplanned pregnancy, but if you aren't, you should have the freedom to get an abortion. It's not like it effects the pro-lifer.

Actually, if you are pro-life, you should wait until you are married to have sex. Case closed.

Being 'pro-life' (a ridiculous and leading term, much like 'pro-choice') in this context would imply a deontological character to one's stance on the matter, not just a lifestyle preference. I also don't know where you're getting this idea, Steve, that being 'pro-life' and being opposed to premarital sex always coincide.

Let me put it to you this way. If you want abortion to be illegal, you should be prepared for the consequences of having casual sex without having all the options available to you. Of course there's child support. Wink

Well obviously.
Logged

A shameless agrarian collectivist with no respect for private property or individual rights.

His idea of freedom is - it is a bad thing and should be stopped at all costs.

Nathan-land.  As much fun as watching paint dry... literally.
Ebowed
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 16396
Australia


Political Matrix
E: -8.32, S: -9.30

View Profile WWW
« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2012, 04:33:32 pm »
Ignore

It should be entirely legal and costs covered under a universal health care scheme.
Logged

A tidal wave of healthcare has swept across coal country. 
Beet
Moderator
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 16060


View Profile
« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2012, 08:06:09 pm »

It should be legal up to a certain stage in the pregnancy beyond the first trimester, but not federally funded.
Logged

shua
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 11688
Russian Federation


View Profile WWW
« Reply #39 on: August 22, 2012, 10:59:49 pm »
Ignore

Flush 'em. And encourage dumb young women to do so. But that'll never happen because the government can't make more money for its members without population growth, so babies will continue to be softly encouraged.
Who decides which young women are dumb?  Or are you assuming that about all of them?

A vast majority, yes. Most young people are stupid, especially when it comes to a perspective on responsibility. Having a child as a teenager or even a little older strikes me as reeking of poor decision-making for a number of reasons.

It's probably horrible of me, I know, but I have a tendency to groan every time a teenage girl's first thought when she finds out she's preggers is not "well, off to Planned Parenthood."  I experienced this somewhat first-hand with my idiot cousin who I really don't care about at all.

I love how it's pro-lifers who are considered "condescending."
« Last Edit: August 22, 2012, 11:04:07 pm by shua, gm »Logged

Free Palestine
FallenMorgan
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 8100
United States
Political Matrix
E: -10.00, S: -10.00

View Profile
« Reply #40 on: August 22, 2012, 11:40:50 pm »
Ignore

Flush 'em. And encourage dumb young women to do so. But that'll never happen because the government can't make more money for its members without population growth, so babies will continue to be softly encouraged.
Who decides which young women are dumb?  Or are you assuming that about all of them?

A vast majority, yes. Most young people are stupid, especially when it comes to a perspective on responsibility. Having a child as a teenager or even a little older strikes me as reeking of poor decision-making for a number of reasons.

It's probably horrible of me, I know, but I have a tendency to groan every time a teenage girl's first thought when she finds out she's preggers is not "well, off to Planned Parenthood."  I experienced this somewhat first-hand with my idiot cousin who I really don't care about at all.

I love how it's pro-lifers who are considered "condescending."

Well, I never said I'd legally mandate that all teens who get pregnant abort.
Logged

Free Bradley Manning
greenforest32
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 2577


Political Matrix
E: -7.94, S: -8.43

View Profile
« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2012, 01:09:36 am »
Ignore

It should be entirely legal and costs covered under a universal health care scheme.
Logged
MooMooMoo
Angry_Weasel
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 12572
United States


View Profile
« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2012, 08:01:00 am »
Ignore

Flush 'em. And encourage dumb young women to do so. But that'll never happen because the government can't make more money for its members without population growth, so babies will continue to be softly encouraged.
Who decides which young women are dumb?  Or are you assuming that about all of them?

A vast majority, yes. Most young people are stupid, especially when it comes to a perspective on responsibility. Having a child as a teenager or even a little older strikes me as reeking of poor decision-making for a number of reasons.

It's probably horrible of me, I know, but I have a tendency to groan every time a teenage girl's first thought when she finds out she's preggers is not "well, off to Planned Parenthood."  I experienced this somewhat first-hand with my idiot cousin who I really don't care about at all.

I love how it's pro-lifers who are considered "condescending."

Well, I never said I'd legally mandate that all teens who get pregnant abort.

Now now, apparently pro-lifers' ideas are so great, they can't be refused, even in the cases of incest and rape. Tongue
Logged


the result is a sense that we were told to attend a lavish dinner party that was going to be wonderful and by the time we got there, all the lobster and steak had been eaten, a fight had broken out, the police had been called and all that was left was warm beer and chips.
[/quot
fezzyfestoon
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 8287
United States


View Profile
« Reply #43 on: August 23, 2012, 05:50:24 pm »
Ignore

I love how it's pro-lifers who are considered "condescending."

What was condescending? And who called pro-lifers condescending?
Logged
Duke
AHDuke99
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 20032


View Profile
« Reply #44 on: August 23, 2012, 06:13:54 pm »
Ignore

Why does being pro-life mean we should just get rid of abortion nationwide? Like I hate tattoos and tons of body piercings but I don't think we should ban them nationwide because I don't like them. I understand abortion is dealing with human lives, but there has not been any evidence to show that life begins at conception.
Logged
Antonio V
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 31199
France


Political Matrix
E: -6.45, S: -4.87

P P P

View Profile
« Reply #45 on: August 24, 2012, 06:18:40 pm »
Ignore

It should be entirely legal and costs covered under a universal health care scheme.
Logged

Quote from: IRC
22:15   ComradeSibboleth   this is all extremely terrible and in all respects absolutely fycking dire.

It really is.



"A reformist is someone who realizes that, when you bang your head on a wall, it's the head that breaks rather than the wall."

Peppino, from the movie Baaria
#Ready4Nixon
Cathcon
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 15240
United States


View Profile
« Reply #46 on: August 24, 2012, 08:08:38 pm »
Ignore

Why does being pro-life mean we should just get rid of abortion nationwide? Like I hate tattoos and tons of body piercings but I don't think we should ban them nationwide because I don't like them. I understand abortion is dealing with human lives, but there has not been any evidence to show that life begins at conception.

First off, for many many people, it's beyond a scientific belief. Secondly, technically, that is life as it is cells. The real argument would be of whether those cells constitute human life or not.
Logged

fezzyfestoon
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 8287
United States


View Profile
« Reply #47 on: August 24, 2012, 08:11:45 pm »
Ignore

First off, for many many people, it's beyond a scientific belief. Secondly, technically, that is life as it is cells. The real argument would be of whether those cells constitute human life or not.

That's why abortion should be legal. There's no definitive truth to when life begins, it's totally up to interpretation. One person can't legislate their subjective beliefs over another when not everyone believes in the truth they campaign for.
Logged
Governor TJ
TJ in Cleve
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4961
United States


View Profile
« Reply #48 on: August 24, 2012, 08:51:15 pm »
Ignore

That's why abortion should be legal. There's no definitive truth to when life begins, it's totally up to interpretation. One person can't legislate their subjective beliefs over another when not everyone believes in the truth they campaign for.

If you want to take the "we don't know which side is right and wrong" approach in this case there is a tremendous disparity in the consequences of each outcome; if it's not a person then outlawing it is forcing a woman to endure nine months of labor, but if it is a person then we're murdering 800,000 people a year.
Logged

Vosem
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 5406
United States


View Profile
« Reply #49 on: August 24, 2012, 09:15:53 pm »
Ignore

That's why abortion should be legal. There's no definitive truth to when life begins, it's totally up to interpretation. One person can't legislate their subjective beliefs over another when not everyone believes in the truth they campaign for.

If you want to take the "we don't know which side is right and wrong" approach in this case there is a tremendous disparity in the consequences of each outcome; if it's not a person then outlawing it is forcing a woman to endure nine months of labor, but if it is a person then we're murdering 800,000 people a year.

You forgot the consequence that if they are not aborted those 800,000 people a year become children whose parents (at least initially) don't want them. That's the concerning part, not the nine months of labor.
Logged

Illegally selling arms to North Korea, providing most of the money to anti-Morales rebels in Bolivia, and using the remainder as hush money for his three ex-mistrisses. 
Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 5 Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Logout

Powered by SMF 1.1.20 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines