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« on: August 20, 2012, 01:27:54 pm »
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I never thought this would be a liberal/democratic talking point, but a liberal person on this forum proclaimed that "most of Romney's support comes from old racist white men" which implies that the 49% of people in national polls that prefer Romney over Obama, and that all the Romney voting Republicans are "racist white men"

Apparently the only issue that matters in 2012 (as opposed to 2008) is "Racism"

Is every anti-Obama voter automatically a "racist" in the eyes of liberals? 

Racism apparently died in 2008 when 53% of the voted for Obama, with many Republicans ditching McCain; but now in 2012, 4% of the voters have swung back to Romney and have become "Racists again"

Of course, voters don't care about any other issues not tainted by "Racism" 
Clearly, the only reason people dislike Obama is because he has Black skin, and has nothing to do with his policies, taxes, proposals, health care, etc. 

I'm certainly surprised and sickened by these racism charges, but I think Americans need an open and honest discussion about "Racism in Society and Politics" as it stands in 2012. 

If Liberals and Joe Biden are going to make Race a big issue in 2012, and claim that Racism is pervasive in Republican voters, then we need to discuss this issue.

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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2012, 01:29:52 pm »
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Yeah, this will go well.

Anyway, it's not some kind of mystery that the Republican electorate, relative to the general population, is white (er), old (er), and on the male side of the gender gap.

And no, not every Republican or even most Republicans are racist, but you're kidding yourself if you don't recognize that the Republican Party has played on white racial fears for political gain.
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2012, 01:53:03 pm »
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No but most GOP voters are old white dudes who have unattractive wives and they shop at wal-mart than buy DVDs over Blu-rays because they love their tube TVs
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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2012, 01:57:20 pm »
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Yeah, this thread will be a bigger disaster than the Titanic, but I'll give it a shot.

No, the majority of liberals and Obama supporters do not think this. At least not any more so than conservatives think all Obama fans are either minorities or socialists (at least I hope not). There are so many different coalitions in both parties, it's unfair to paint supporters of either Obama or Romney with a broad brush. I try to be optimistic, so I'm going to assume that most Romney supporters are good people who happen to side with Romney more so than Obama on most issues. Most Republicans I know (and I know many) are absolutely amazing people, but political orientation shouldn't be dependent upon this in the first place. Some people are great, others are terrible.

But on the other hand, people who throw these sort of accusations around, while careless, aren't completely out of left field. The GOP gets almost all of their votes for President from white people. I crunched some numbers a while back and found that around 90% of the votes for John McCain came from white voters, while Obama's electoral coalition was much more diverse. Republicans have lost the black vote, the Hispanic vote and the Asian vote and now rely solely on conservative (often older) whites. And when you are so dependent on a single group of people, you end up pandering to them, and ultimately your brand becomes tied to them.  

And this also begs the question "Why did the GOP lose the support of so many minority groups so quickly?" It's an unpleasant topic, but if the Republican party wants to remain viable they need to figure out why these once competitive subgroups have strongly aligned against them. They can't blame Obama, or ignorance of the issues, or the "lamestream media", because that only makes it worse. They need to rebuild their brand and that will come from some soul searching.

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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2012, 02:38:52 pm »
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statistically the older, whiter or maler you are the more likely you are to be a Republican. but no.

However, I do suspect that the majority of old white male racists are Republicans.

It is also probably true that the majority of black and latino racists are Democrats.
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2012, 03:56:47 pm »
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Because there is no actual data to quantify "racist" support among party, I'm not going to go there. I think most level-headed people would still concede, however, that there would be more racists within conservative ideology and therefore, in the Republican Party.

Let's take a look at some Pew data from June:

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The number of political independents has continued to grow, as both parties have lost ground among the public. Based on surveys conducted this year, 38% describe themselves as independents, up from 32% in 2008 and 30% in 2004.

The proportion of independents is now higher than at any point in more than two decades. Looking back even further, independents are more numerous than at any point in the last 70 years. (For trends in party identification from 1939-2012, see this interactive feature.)

Meanwhile, the percentage of self-described Democrats has fallen from 36% four years ago to 32% today. Republican identification has remained largely stable over this period (24% today, 25% in 2008). In 1991, however, there were nearly equal percentages of Republicans (31%), Democrats (31%) and independents (33%).

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As has been the case since 2008, a plurality of whites (38%) identify as independents. Among the remainder, more call themselves Republicans (32%) than Democrats (26%). Four years ago, party identification among whites was more evenly divided: 33% were independents, 30% Democrats and 31% Republicans.

African Americans continue to overwhelmingly align with the Democratic Party (69%). But blacks’ identification as Democrats has declined since the mid-1980s; in 1984, nearly eight-in-ten African Americans (78%) said they were Democrats.

By contrast, only about a third of Hispanics (32%) identify as Democrats while nearly half (46%) say they are independents; just 11% of Hispanics identify with the GOP. More than twice as many Hispanics either identify as Democrats or lean toward the Democratic Party as identify with the GOP or lean Republican (57% vs. 24%).

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Nonetheless, there continues to be a gender gap in party identification. Women are more likely than men to identify as Democrats (37% vs. 27%). That gap has changed little in recent years. Men are more likely than women to identify as independents (43% vs. 33%). About the same percentages of women and men affiliate with the GOP (24%, 25% respectively).

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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2012, 07:27:07 pm »
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I'm a liberal and I can speak from my own personal beliefs. The answer for me is no. The only people I think are racists are the birthers. But not all conservatives are birthers. So answer is no.
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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2012, 10:59:24 am »
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statistically the older, whiter or maler you are the more likely you are to be a Republican. but no.

However, I do suspect that the majority of old white male racists are Republicans.

It is also probably true that the majority of black and latino racists are Democrats.

Its easy for Blacks to think white people dislike Obama just because of his skin color, and try to brand the opposition as evil people. 

But I think that's a foolishly small-minded and bigoted assessment.  People vote for their own self-interest and economic interests.  It doesn't necessarily mean they are voting specifically because they dislike an ethnic group. 
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2012, 11:01:39 am »
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People vote for their own self-interest and economic interests.

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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2012, 08:23:39 am »
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The vast majority of people who oppose Obama feel the way they do because they dislike his liberal policies, not because of race.  Democrats always portray Republicans as being a bunch of old racist white men with no solid evidence. 
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« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2012, 07:50:25 am »
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statistically the older, whiter or maler you are the more likely you are to be a Republican. but no.

However, I do suspect that the majority of old white male racists are Republicans.

It is also probably true that the majority of black and latino racists are Democrats.

Its easy for Blacks to think white people dislike Obama just because of his skin color, and try to brand the opposition as evil people.  

But I think that's a foolishly small-minded and bigoted assessment.  People vote for their own self-interest and economic interests.  It doesn't necessarily mean they are voting specifically because they dislike an ethnic group.  
Indeed. However self interest doesn't always mean individual self-interest, but community factionalism. Especially in the Deep South "community factionalism" is often a very conscious matter of racial factionalism. Just look at how incredibly polarized elections in Mississippi are along racial lines.

I don't that's necessarily bigotry, any more then it is when similar racial tribalism takes place among blacks or various immigrant communities.
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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2012, 05:08:38 pm »
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No, but racism has a significant influence on modern American conservative thought, many times by no will of their own.  There is so much racism in the foundation of the way many people in this country think.  Naturally, since it is no longer considered a socially acceptable way of thought, they become intensely hostile when the subject is brought up, but it does not change the reality.

e.g. - although a vast MINORITY of welfare recipients abuse the system, refuse to look for work, and rely primarily on their government checks... that's apparently enough for most Republican voters to condemn the system as a whole, undoubtedly with the knowledge that a large number of welfare recipients are black; and often fueled by the ignorant prejudices you find prevalent amongst them.  Why do they not rally against government-funded drug rehab centers, mostly used by white Americans?  What makes a lazy welfare recipient different from someone who becomes worthless to society through their drug use?  I can go all the way up to social security and Medicare.  Sure, conservatives go apesh**t when instigated, but surely people defraud and abuse those systems.  Where's the outrage?  Polls show all Americans love SS and Medicare.  There's only outrage when they are told that liberals spend too much on those programs, apparently.  

Attitudes in this country have come a long way.  However, to discount the obvious racial tinge to everyday life in this country is simply stupid, and no group pushes that to the forefront more than today's conservative movement.  Liberals are guilty of the some of the same prejudices, but I would say the big difference is their recognition of how wrong those are.  Many conservative buy into the crap wholeheartedly, and I will defend that to my death because I see it in not only national headlines but in the world I live personally.  

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