August 2012 Election Tracker

[Napoleon]

This power grab nonsense is ridiculous. I have been happy to help Labor Party members get into office, as anyone in the Northeast can attest. As for your other drivel, look at how many Labor voters vote straight Labor for their top three in this election and compare that to the Liberals. Even our candidates didn't vote straight party line! In the Northeast, Liberals supportedin Labor candidates over some of our own party and we lost a seat.We are more than happy to work with other parties. And I think most of Labor is too, excepting a small and divisive minority.

I will give you credit for having the guts to go before the Whigs and ask them to preference you, while you vote against Whig candidates that don't even have opponents.

[Svensson]

tl dr: If you have an ideology, whether it's left or right, don't give second preferences to the liberals, they are trying to end this fun game, and turn into another 2012 elections trashy hivemind subforum, where everybody has to self-censor.

I find this assertion extremely amusing, considering you're the one trying to gut the game by making it less a game and more actual grim, high-stakes politics where your enemy is the Antichrist and scourge of the human race. Stop playing the smear merchant, will you, and stop acting like we just stole your binky. You might be treated as less of a joke that way.

[Gass3268]

Unless there is something I am missing, being new to Atlasia, it would only make sense for us Labor party members to support Liberal candidates and vice-versa. Don't we want as many left leaning candidates in all levels of government as possible?

[Napoleon]

For the record, I was one of only five people to approve of Seatown in the last poll. 5/18 total (22%).

[LastVoter]

For the record, I was one of only five people to approve of Seatown in the last poll. 5/18 total (22%).

Can we stop pretending that approval polls mean things, have you actually compared turnout to number of people voting in approval polls?

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

For too long we've acted as the Liberal sidekick; it's why the party backed you in June and why they endorsed a slate of Liberal candidates. I chose not to preference Liberals (except my buddy Bacon at 5th) because Labor needs to define itself as the party of the left, not the left wing of the Liberals. If you look at my campaign thread, I ran based on my ideas and beliefs; I suppose my support for increased spending and a second look at free trade agreements is now "a highly negative campaign". Despite my optimism when you were elected (Although I voted Oakvale, I reached out to you in the wake of that Tweed crap), you have shown that your presidency is based around intimidation and bullying. The Senate is a mess because you've been at everyone's throat for two months. Hopefully there's only two months left, and I will stop at nothing to free Labor from being the Garfunkel to your Simon. If that means a loose alliance with the Whigs to keep the incoherent bloated mass of the Liberal Party in check, so be it.

[Napoleon]

The Senate is not a mess. The debate is much more policy-focused than before and interest is higher than before as evidenced by the number of good candidates and return of previous members. The party backed me in June because I have proven to be a very strong advocate for progressive views as Senator, Governor and now as President. No one in the Liberal Party was complaining about being Labor's sidekick in April when most Liberals voted for Labor candidates. You also didn't seem to have this attitude when you were asking to be my running mate and whatever you said publicly after my election doesn't excuse the fact that you continued to trash me behind the scenes. I am not going to pile on the Labor Party because of a few bad apples like yourself and I hope to continue our strong working relationship.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     If Labor and Liberal are supposed to blindly back each other, then what purpose did the party split even serve? At least the duopoly of JCP and RPP was more honest about its state of affairs.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I miss the RPP

[Napoleon]

    If Labor and Liberal are supposed to blindly back each other, then what purpose did the party split even serve? At least the duopoly of JCP and RPP was more honest about its state of affairs.

No one is asking for the parties to back each other blindly but there is no reason not to cooperate on common goals. The right wing parties are essentially trying to consolidate anyway so this is a strange criticism.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Promote leftist causes by forming coalitions with the Whigs.  Logical thinking here, folks!

But in all seriousness, I'm glad it's only a small number of people who are waging this fictional cyber partisan warfare bulls**t over a ridiculous personal dispute that should have ended months ago.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I admit I know nothing of the recent developments of Atlasian politics (honestly, I know nothing about Atlasia in the past year at least), but, whoever is the responsible, I think we can agree on one thing : left-wing disunity only leads both parties to catastrophe. So, whatever your issues are, I suggest to address them, discuss them, and eventually resolve them in the most respectful way possible.

OK, this was the half-assed post of the day.

[Donerail]

    If Labor and Liberal are supposed to blindly back each other, then what purpose did the party split even serve? At least the duopoly of JCP and RPP was more honest about its state of affairs.

No one is asking for the parties to back each other blindly but there is no reason not to cooperate on common goals. The right wing parties are essentially trying to consolidate anyway so this is a strange criticism.

We're not consolidating with the Whigs, we're simply aligning ourselves with another party that closely fits our ideology. We're not a right-wing party, we're an IDS party, and with the Whigs having taken the srongest stances in support of regional rights, they are our logical allies.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Behind the scenes? The IRC, yes? Well, I decided to give you a second chance after the election. You blew it.

[tmthforu94]

    If Labor and Liberal are supposed to blindly back each other, then what purpose did the party split even serve? At least the duopoly of JCP and RPP was more honest about its state of affairs.

The thing I find ironic is, the Labor Party seems to be to the left of the Liberals ideological-wise. So if anything, you'd think it'd be the Liberals working with the Whigs, not the Labor. This is certainly a...awkward turn of events I've never really seen in Atlasia.

I miss the RPP

Agreed

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

    If Labor and Liberal are supposed to blindly back each other, then what purpose did the party split even serve? At least the duopoly of JCP and RPP was more honest about its state of affairs.

The thing I find ironic is, the Labor Party seems to be to the left of the Liberals ideological-wise. So if anything, you'd think it'd be the Liberals working with the Whigs, not the Labor. This is certainly a...awkward turn of events I've never really seen in Atlasia.

I always believed that the Liberal and Labor parties could work best together to achieve common goals and focus on the issues that unite the parties, not separate themselves from each other, because of the fact that they're fairly similar.  In my opinion, the Whig Party is more socially conservative/fiscally populist (or at least, that's what I believe it was intended to be at the time of its founding), so there's less common ground between the Liberals and Whigs than between the Liberals and Labors.

[tmthforu94]

    If Labor and Liberal are supposed to blindly back each other, then what purpose did the party split even serve? At least the duopoly of JCP and RPP was more honest about its state of affairs.

The thing I find ironic is, the Labor Party seems to be to the left of the Liberals ideological-wise. So if anything, you'd think it'd be the Liberals working with the Whigs, not the Labor. This is certainly a...awkward turn of events I've never really seen in Atlasia.

I always believed that the Liberal and Labor parties could work best together to achieve common goals and focus on the issues that unite the parties, not separate themselves from each other, because of the fact that they're fairly similar.  In my opinion, the Whig Party is more socially conservative/fiscally populist (or at least, that's what I believe it was intended to be at the time of its founding), so there's less common ground between the Liberals and Whigs than between the Liberals and Labors.

I completely agree - I'm just saying, if one of the parties were to get in an alliance with the Whig's, logic would make you think it'd be the Liberals, just based off political beliefs. You'd also think the Whigs would be more reluctant to align with the Labor as they're so differently politically, but some seem to be OK with it, surprisingly.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     If Labor and Liberal are supposed to blindly back each other, then what purpose did the party split even serve? At least the duopoly of JCP and RPP was more honest about its state of affairs.

No one is asking for the parties to back each other blindly but there is no reason not to cooperate on common goals. The right wing parties are essentially trying to consolidate anyway so this is a strange criticism.

    What aren't common goals between the Liberals and the Laborites? Considering how buddy-buddy you folks have been seeking to become, alliance between the Whigs and the Bloc is a natural reaction.

[Napoleon]

     If Labor and Liberal are supposed to blindly back each other, then what purpose did the party split even serve? At least the duopoly of JCP and RPP was more honest about its state of affairs.

No one is asking for the parties to back each other blindly but there is no reason not to cooperate on common goals. The right wing parties are essentially trying to consolidate anyway so this is a strange criticism.

    What aren't common goals between the Liberals and the Laborites? Considering how buddy-buddy you folks have been seeking to become, alliance between the Whigs and the Bloc is a natural reaction.

That is a strange take on history given the fact that since dissolution, every right wing ticket has been Whig/Bloc while no left wing ticket has had Liberal and Labor together.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Anyone who knows me knows that I had my similar issues with the Liberals when dissolution happened. I think both sides have completely fair points here, though, which is why I don't really know what to think of this fight.

I don't want to play sidekick to the Liberals in the same way I didn't want to play sidekick to the JCP, and I do fear that extended dominance of the Liberals are going to cause our system to reconsolidate with the Liberals dominating national elections, Labor eventually being effectively dissolved, the Right being united for no other reason than to beat the Liberals, and then having a handful of disgruntled people in the middle, mostly on the loony left. Nobody should want those days to repeat, I didn't like them much.

But there's a difference in that and just trying to be different for different's sake. I'm a Socialist, but I don't make it my entire persona, and in fact, very little of my main focus in Atlasia is only on that. Being left-wing is fair, but trying to be a caricature of the left-wing just to be different is sort of ridiculous. If Napoleon is worth supporting, and he certainly is, then there is no harm in doing so. Good candidates deserve support, it's when Labor is being used as a permanent sidekick to even the most bland of candidates that we should start getting grumpy, which hasn't happened yet.

I'm starting to wonder if ideological parties were a mistake, and we should be creating issue parties instead. It's even more granular, but, at least parties can work in more diverse coalitions rather than having a basic Left, Right, and Center.

Regardless, insulting each other, or in particular insulting the center for literally no reason, isn't going to be the solution. Especially since Napoleon has reasonable approvals, and has been a good President, right now is not a fight that's winnable even if it was worth fighting. It makes sense for the different shades of the left to work together; unity is a sensible thing. Let's just not take it to the past extreme.

In defense of my Labor party mates though, I don't think it's very fair to use their political positions against them as some sort of problem. Labor is a Labor party, what do you expect? Of course some of us would want to re-evaluate trade law or consider a stock tax. We're being ourselves by proposing it and helping diversify what is actually a rather right-wing Senate for our history. I understand entirely the idea of Labor supporting Liberal candidates as the logical thing to do, but that doesn't mean we should become Liberals.

[Adam Griffin]

I completely agree - I'm just saying, if one of the parties were to get in an alliance with the Whig's, logic would make you think it'd be the Liberals, just based off political beliefs. You'd also think the Whigs would be more reluctant to align with the Labor as they're so differently politically, but some seem to be OK with it, surprisingly.

I think there is a lot of pettiness and (perhaps just) frustration coming from both Labor and Liberal Parties right now and it needs to stop.

I obviously can only speak for myself, but I will firmly state that I will not expend one mole of energy toward anything - alliance or preference - that seeks to move Atlasia closer to Whiggery. Any move toward such an abomination of an alliance will fracture the Labor Party and in the process, tear any semblance of a Leftist coalition asunder - especially with the right-leaning political groups currently seeking unity. I think it goes without saying that most Labor and Liberal members would rather do battle in our legislative halls and in preferential elections to determine how far to the left we move, as opposed to pissing our pants in a temper-tantrum while the communitarians and Jesus freaks take over Nyman.

Any Labor member who supports such a mutation of ideology should just go ahead and place a "JCL/Pingvin" banner in their signature.

[Antonio the Sixth]

As usual, Marokai puts it better than anyone else could.

And yeah, in the case you hadn't guessed, I think allying with the reactionary right is one of the stupidest things we could do (no offense to anyone personally).

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I thought this was a results tracker?

[Associate Justice PiT]

     If Labor and Liberal are supposed to blindly back each other, then what purpose did the party split even serve? At least the duopoly of JCP and RPP was more honest about its state of affairs.

No one is asking for the parties to back each other blindly but there is no reason not to cooperate on common goals. The right wing parties are essentially trying to consolidate anyway so this is a strange criticism.

    What aren't common goals between the Liberals and the Laborites? Considering how buddy-buddy you folks have been seeking to become, alliance between the Whigs and the Bloc is a natural reaction.

That is a strange take on history given the fact that since dissolution, every right wing ticket has been Whig/Bloc while no left wing ticket has had Liberal and Labor together.

     Your sample size consists of two whole elections. To compound the problem, the Whig and the IB are strongest in the Mideast and the South, which have had excellent relations for years. It's hardly strange that these people would decide to run on tickets with their friends, or that Whigs would be close to members of the Bloc and vice versa.

     Besides, I have not heard anything about Whig/IB alliance until the discussions began on the proposal that SJoyceFla posted today. But maybe you know more about my party than I do. If that's the case, could you use your inside track to advise them to quit wasting their time and just don't contest the Presidency?

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Jesus, people. STOP FIGHTING GOD DAMMIT! Do we want President Pingvin? No. Let's not form any Labor-Whig alliances, because I'm not sure why that would work, given the fact that our two parties are diametrically opposed. The parties aren't the Extremists and the Moderate Heroes! The parties are Liberal, Labor, and Whig. Such division among the left is counter-productive and seeks to divide us like some kind of disease.

Calm the f[inks] down, everyone.

Now, let's track the goddamn election.