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« on: August 24, 2012, 05:47:00 PM »

OK be polite...are republicans forgetting how much Bush and a republican house/senate spent? 5.1 trillion..where was the accountability?

Obama has spent 968billion in 4  years thats 4 TRILLION LESS!!!

Bush left this country in a complete mess. Deregulation/low taxes for the rich created the banking crisis.

Bush in 2004 was telling everyone to go out and buy your own home, the governemt would help american families have that dream of owning your own home. They couldn't afford them. The bubble burst and created disaster.

Republicans have to be so two-faced to not even remember how republicans voted bill after bill. no balance budget.

The moment a democrat is in charge the hypocrites surface and now they claim to be concerned by spending.

So its ok for republicans to spend 5.1 trillion, create an environment of deregulation allowing banks to give mortgages to people that can't afford them with any interest hike. But OBAMA spends 4trillion less and democrats are spending like crazy. THE GOP/BUSH created environment for a nuclear economic bomb.

Do you suffer from complete amnesia?

NO EXCUSES. Your being a hypocrite voting republican if your concern is spending. They created this mess. They created the bubble and its still being dealt with as the damage was catastrophic.
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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2012, 06:16:18 PM »

How are you ariving at this calculations, regarding the debt?

Second of all the deregulation which bore direct impact on the crisis was passed in 1997 and 1999 by a bipartisan majority in congress and the signed into law by a Democratic President. Bush didn't create the atmosphere of deregulation, it was in play since the 1970's when they started to de-regulate I think in the Nixon administration (might have been Ford but I can't remember when they started easing restrictions on the railroads). If anything Bush kind of broke the trend of deregulation by signing the biggest regulation bill in decades with Sarbox. I guess that never happened? Tongue  Bush's problem with regulation dealt with poor choices of appointees, for the most part such as Chris Cox at SEC, and other regulatory agencies.

As for pushing mortgages, that has been standard practice in both parties since atleast the 1970's as well, but really ramped up in the 1990's under Clinton. All Bush did was take it to the next level, by making it a central theme of his campaign. Even so, he still wanted to stem the tide of that somewhat in 2003 and again in 2005 by restraining Fanny and Freddie, but was blocked by a coalition of both parties (including the current President I believe) led by Chris Dodd and Barney Frank until 2008. It wouldn't have been prevented the crisis to be sure as they were only responsible for a small percentage of those loans, but maybe bottom could have been slightly higher then it ended up being had something been done.

I have yet to be convinced how tax cuts on their own contributed to the crisis, where something else was not at play and in fact playing a far bigger role such as incompetent regulators or inneffective regulations. Certainly it put the money onto the street (Wall Street that is), but it wasn't what directed to the speculative bubble. It flowed there because of things already in motion.
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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2012, 06:22:15 PM »

As for it being hyprocritical to for the GOP to be concerned with spending I have got news flash for you. The spending issue is no longer a football between the parties but is instead becoming a looming threat to the US in the form out of control entitlement spending. So far, the only side that seriously talking about reforming them is the Republicans where as the Democrats are more content to play politics with it then actually do a damn thing about it.
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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2012, 06:24:21 PM »

OK be polite...are republicans forgetting how much Bush and a republican house/senate spent? 5.1 trillion..where was the accountability?

Obama has spent 968billion in 4  years thats 4 TRILLION LESS!!!

Bush left this country in a complete mess. Deregulation/low taxes for the rich created the banking crisis.

Bush in 2004 was telling everyone to go out and buy your own home, the governemt would help american families have that dream of owning your own home. They couldn't afford them. The bubble burst and created disaster.

Republicans have to be so two-faced to not even remember how republicans voted bill after bill. no balance budget.

The moment a democrat is in charge the hypocrites surface and now they claim to be concerned by spending.

So its ok for republicans to spend 5.1 trillion, create an environment of deregulation allowing banks to give mortgages to people that can't afford them with any interest hike. But OBAMA spends 4trillion less and democrats are spending like crazy. THE GOP/BUSH created environment for a nuclear economic bomb.

Do you suffer from complete amnesia?

NO EXCUSES. Your being a hypocrite voting republican if your concern is spending. They created this mess. They created the bubble and its still being dealt with as the damage was catastrophic.
Obamacare alone is going to cost $2.6 trillion dollars which was originally suppose to be $1.7 trillion, that's something you havent stated. Obama alone spent $6.3 trillion on top of the $5 or so Bush had on the deficit spend during his time. Both parties are guilty of spending, but Obama is the biggest spender of all.

You might want to read some of this to get a better perspective.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/06/14/president-obama-the-biggest-government-spender-in-world-history/
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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2012, 06:28:38 PM »

And frankly as I said before this back and forth "you did it too, you did it worse, its our turn" is a distraction the political debate can't afford as we are struggling with entitlements. We can't afford a party to get another turn on this flawed spending game board.

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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2012, 06:38:09 PM »

Spending like drunks is only ok when we are in office.......
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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2012, 06:55:23 PM »
« Edited: August 24, 2012, 07:01:15 PM by BlondeArtisit »

And frankly as I said before this back and forth "you did it too, you did it worse, its our turn" is a distraction the political debate can't afford as we are struggling with entitlements. We can't afford a party to get another turn on this flawed spending game board.



If a nuclear bomb dropped on north carolina tomorrow, the affects would still be felt in 2016.

George Bush was a complete disaster as president as if you questioned any spending you were trashed as a traitor. Bush left the economic equivalent of a nuclear attack but in financial form.

In the last months of the 2004 campaign, Bush was repeating the same speech. On housing, he kept telling people to buy homes as the federal government would be there for you. Banks were taking out billion dollar loans buying homes giving them to people that couldnt afford to repay them. Bush created the party atmosphere

Where was Paul Ryan? Thats right voting with bush.
Where was Mitch McConnell? That's right voting with bush.
Where were the house republicans? That's right voting with bush.
Where were the senate republicans? That's right voting with bush.


And the democrats were castigated for being traitors for not voting for bills. And if this conversation was happening in 2001,02,03,04,05,06,07,08 all the republicans would be the same. all the spending is necessary.

Do you know in the entire republican primary season, george bush was never mentioned. He was president for 8 years from 2000-2008, he split the country in two, he spent 5.1trillion dollars with no accountability and republicans act lilke he doesn't exist. He's not even going to the convention AGAIN. Where was he in 2008..uninvited why if he did such a great job? Obamas to blame for all americans problems yet you don't talk about bush and how obama destroyed bushs legacy.

For Bush: $1.812 trillion from the "Bush tax cuts"; $853 billion from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan; $616 in higher Pentagon spending outside those wars; $608 billion in non-defense discretionary spending; $480 billion in "other tax"-related matters; $293 billion in entitlement changes; $224 billion in spending for Trouble Assets Relief Program (TARP) and the Housing and Economic Recovery Act; and $180 billion for the prescription drug bill.

For Obama: $874 billion for the American Reinvestment and Recovery Act (the stimulus package); $620 billion for the two-year extension of the Bush tax cuts; $324 in "other mandatory spending"; and $113 billion in "other revenue." Subtotal: $1.931 trillion. Subtracted from that are policies that reduce the net deficit: $502 billion in automatic spending cuts; $271 reduction in defense spending; $123 billion in reduced health care spending; $51 billion in reduced non-defense discretionary spending. Total: $983 billion
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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2012, 07:34:35 PM »

And frankly as I said before this back and forth "you did it too, you did it worse, its our turn" is a distraction the political debate can't afford as we are struggling with entitlements. We can't afford a party to get another turn on this flawed spending game board.



If a nuclear bomb dropped on north carolina tomorrow, the affects would still be felt in 2016.

George Bush was a complete disaster as president as if you questioned any spending you were trashed as a traitor. Bush left the economic equivalent of a nuclear attack but in financial form.

In the last months of the 2004 campaign, Bush was repeating the same speech. On housing, he kept telling people to buy homes as the federal government would be there for you. Banks were taking out billion dollar loans buying homes giving them to people that couldnt afford to repay them. Bush created the party atmosphere

Where was Paul Ryan? Thats right voting with bush.
Where was Mitch McConnell? That's right voting with bush.
Where were the house republicans? That's right voting with bush.
Where were the senate republicans? That's right voting with bush.


And the democrats were castigated for being traitors for not voting for bills. And if this conversation was happening in 2001,02,03,04,05,06,07,08 all the republicans would be the same. all the spending is necessary.

Do you know in the entire republican primary season, george bush was never mentioned. He was president for 8 years from 2000-2008, he split the country in two, he spent 5.1trillion dollars with no accountability and republicans act lilke he doesn't exist. He's not even going to the convention AGAIN. Where was he in 2008..uninvited why if he did such a great job? Obamas to blame for all americans problems yet you don't talk about bush and how obama destroyed bushs legacy.

For Bush: $1.812 trillion from the "Bush tax cuts"; $853 billion from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan; $616 in higher Pentagon spending outside those wars; $608 billion in non-defense discretionary spending; $480 billion in "other tax"-related matters; $293 billion in entitlement changes; $224 billion in spending for Trouble Assets Relief Program (TARP) and the Housing and Economic Recovery Act; and $180 billion for the prescription drug bill.

For Obama: $874 billion for the American Reinvestment and Recovery Act (the stimulus package); $620 billion for the two-year extension of the Bush tax cuts; $324 in "other mandatory spending"; and $113 billion in "other revenue." Subtotal: $1.931 trillion. Subtracted from that are policies that reduce the net deficit: $502 billion in automatic spending cuts; $271 reduction in defense spending; $123 billion in reduced health care spending; $51 billion in reduced non-defense discretionary spending. Total: $983 billion
If we are going to have a conversation here, you need to calm down. Seriously, you arent' doing your health any favors by getting this up tight here.

Once again that is very petty calculation because at the end of the day the current deficit is $1.5 Trillion or in that ball park and has been for the past four years. As President, Obama is responsible for that because he is the one who is capable of changing it and thus it is his responsbility if it doesn't get changed. "The buck stops here".

The Entitlement problem has been building up for decades, as well. Bush tried once again to address part of it and once again the Democrats blocked him and played politics with it. We could absorb the spending Bush made and it can be changed through appropriations. The problem is that the entitlement crisis is baked in to the pie as automatic spending increases and changes in age demography, and unless it is changed, it will crowd everything else out of the budget. This is something you can't blame Bush for creating, because it was created by FDR and LBJ.

And just for the record, I did oppose Medicare Part D being unfunded, the NCLB act, the War in Iraq when it was first starting, the culture of corruption, the incompetent appointees, the immigration policies designed to benefit big agra and the COC, the mishandling of the Wars once they were started, and money for nothing poorly designed bailouts on both Wall Street and Detroit (Certainly you have to do something but you don't start pushing billions into people's laps without conditions).

I get it you, you despised Bush. He isn't hiding under your bed I don't believe, so can you drop the anti-Bush hysteria and have a conversation about some of these problems?

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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2012, 07:37:28 PM »

It's not a matter of amnesia, it's a matter of truth. They know what they voted for, but they'd rather not own up to it.
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2012, 07:39:05 PM »

The Entitlement problem has been building up for decades, as well. Bush tried once again to address part of it...

You mean the trillion+ dollar prescription drug give away to big pharma?
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2012, 07:44:13 PM »

No, Americans are just that stupid. Whatever these twats say, we believe time and again. We don't have enough time to actually find out what's true so we believe the last thing we're told. They know that and take advantage of it. And why not? When you know for a fact that A) you have no intentions of acting on your promises, B) do plan to cheat and steal from the people you lie to, and C) will almost never be held accountable for it, why the hell would you stop? The answer would be because you're a decent human being, but there are none of those in our government so there is no reason to stop. Any discussion of who is bad or worse or whatever is asinine and thoroughly embarrassing.
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2012, 08:21:02 PM »

The Entitlement problem has been building up for decades, as well. Bush tried once again to address part of it...

You mean the trillion+ dollar prescription drug give away to big pharma?

Did the Democrats block that and prevent it from passing? Tongue lol
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2012, 08:34:19 PM »

And frankly as I said before this back and forth "you did it too, you did it worse, its our turn" is a distraction the political debate can't afford as we are struggling with entitlements. We can't afford a party to get another turn on this flawed spending game board.



If a nuclear bomb dropped on north carolina tomorrow, the affects would still be felt in 2016.

George Bush was a complete disaster as president as if you questioned any spending you were trashed as a traitor. Bush left the economic equivalent of a nuclear attack but in financial form.

In the last months of the 2004 campaign, Bush was repeating the same speech. On housing, he kept telling people to buy homes as the federal government would be there for you. Banks were taking out billion dollar loans buying homes giving them to people that couldnt afford to repay them. Bush created the party atmosphere

Where was Paul Ryan? Thats right voting with bush.
Where was Mitch McConnell? That's right voting with bush.
Where were the house republicans? That's right voting with bush.
Where were the senate republicans? That's right voting with bush.


And the democrats were castigated for being traitors for not voting for bills. And if this conversation was happening in 2001,02,03,04,05,06,07,08 all the republicans would be the same. all the spending is necessary.

Do you know in the entire republican primary season, george bush was never mentioned. He was president for 8 years from 2000-2008, he split the country in two, he spent 5.1trillion dollars with no accountability and republicans act lilke he doesn't exist. He's not even going to the convention AGAIN. Where was he in 2008..uninvited why if he did such a great job? Obamas to blame for all americans problems yet you don't talk about bush and how obama destroyed bushs legacy.

For Bush: $1.812 trillion from the "Bush tax cuts"; $853 billion from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan; $616 in higher Pentagon spending outside those wars; $608 billion in non-defense discretionary spending; $480 billion in "other tax"-related matters; $293 billion in entitlement changes; $224 billion in spending for Trouble Assets Relief Program (TARP) and the Housing and Economic Recovery Act; and $180 billion for the prescription drug bill.

For Obama: $874 billion for the American Reinvestment and Recovery Act (the stimulus package); $620 billion for the two-year extension of the Bush tax cuts; $324 in "other mandatory spending"; and $113 billion in "other revenue." Subtotal: $1.931 trillion. Subtracted from that are policies that reduce the net deficit: $502 billion in automatic spending cuts; $271 reduction in defense spending; $123 billion in reduced health care spending; $51 billion in reduced non-defense discretionary spending. Total: $983 billion
If we are going to have a conversation here, you need to calm down. Seriously, you arent' doing your health any favors by getting this up tight here.

Once again that is very petty calculation because at the end of the day the current deficit is $1.5 Trillion or in that ball park and has been for the past four years. As President, Obama is responsible for that because he is the one who is capable of changing it and thus it is his responsbility if it doesn't get changed. "The buck stops here".

The Entitlement problem has been building up for decades, as well. Bush tried once again to address part of it and once again the Democrats blocked him and played politics with it. We could absorb the spending Bush made and it can be changed through appropriations. The problem is that the entitlement crisis is baked in to the pie as automatic spending increases and changes in age demography, and unless it is changed, it will crowd everything else out of the budget. This is something you can't blame Bush for creating, because it was created by FDR and LBJ.

And just for the record, I did oppose Medicare Part D being unfunded, the NCLB act, the War in Iraq when it was first starting, the culture of corruption, the incompetent appointees, the immigration policies designed to benefit big agra and the COC, the mishandling of the Wars once they were started, and money for nothing poorly designed bailouts on both Wall Street and Detroit (Certainly you have to do something but you don't start pushing billions into people's laps without conditions).

I get it you, you despised Bush. He isn't hiding under your bed I don't believe, so can you drop the anti-Bush hysteria and have a conversation about some of these problems?



He who lives in a glass house shouldn't throw stones.

(This is appropriate for every single republican senator/congressman who sat back and voted for 5.1trillion dollars without a squeak of protest and also the people that re-elected these big spenders back into power whom now claim that spending is out of control)

PAUL RYAN - where were you during the bush spending..thats right voting for it.
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2012, 08:47:10 PM »

The Entitlement problem has been building up for decades, as well. Bush tried once again to address part of it...

You mean the trillion+ dollar prescription drug give away to big pharma?

Did the Democrats block that and prevent it from passing? Tongue lol
Yes, they did. The 108th Congress consisted of 229 House Republicans and 205 Democrats. In the Senate there wer 51 Republicans and 49 Democrats. "The Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act" passed narrowly in the House 220-215. Only 3 Dems voted for it.
In the Senate, Democrats didn't filibuster votes like Republicans do so much now. It passed 54-44 in the Senate. 3 Democrats crossed over and 2 didn't vote.
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2012, 09:00:07 PM »

The Entitlement problem has been building up for decades, as well. Bush tried once again to address part of it...

You mean the trillion+ dollar prescription drug give away to big pharma?

Did the Democrats block that and prevent it from passing? Tongue lol
Yes, they did. The 108th Congress consisted of 229 House Republicans and 205 Democrats. In the Senate there wer 51 Republicans and 49 Democrats. "The Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act" passed narrowly in the House 220-215. Only 3 Dems voted for it.
In the Senate, Democrats didn't filibuster votes like Republicans do so much now. It passed 54-44 in the Senate. 3 Democrats crossed over and 2 didn't vote.

and prevent it from passing?
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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2012, 09:11:39 PM »

And frankly as I said before this back and forth "you did it too, you did it worse, its our turn" is a distraction the political debate can't afford as we are struggling with entitlements. We can't afford a party to get another turn on this flawed spending game board.



If a nuclear bomb dropped on north carolina tomorrow, the affects would still be felt in 2016.

George Bush was a complete disaster as president as if you questioned any spending you were trashed as a traitor. Bush left the economic equivalent of a nuclear attack but in financial form.

In the last months of the 2004 campaign, Bush was repeating the same speech. On housing, he kept telling people to buy homes as the federal government would be there for you. Banks were taking out billion dollar loans buying homes giving them to people that couldnt afford to repay them. Bush created the party atmosphere

Where was Paul Ryan? Thats right voting with bush.
Where was Mitch McConnell? That's right voting with bush.
Where were the house republicans? That's right voting with bush.
Where were the senate republicans? That's right voting with bush.


And the democrats were castigated for being traitors for not voting for bills. And if this conversation was happening in 2001,02,03,04,05,06,07,08 all the republicans would be the same. all the spending is necessary.

Do you know in the entire republican primary season, george bush was never mentioned. He was president for 8 years from 2000-2008, he split the country in two, he spent 5.1trillion dollars with no accountability and republicans act lilke he doesn't exist. He's not even going to the convention AGAIN. Where was he in 2008..uninvited why if he did such a great job? Obamas to blame for all americans problems yet you don't talk about bush and how obama destroyed bushs legacy.

For Bush: $1.812 trillion from the "Bush tax cuts"; $853 billion from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan; $616 in higher Pentagon spending outside those wars; $608 billion in non-defense discretionary spending; $480 billion in "other tax"-related matters; $293 billion in entitlement changes; $224 billion in spending for Trouble Assets Relief Program (TARP) and the Housing and Economic Recovery Act; and $180 billion for the prescription drug bill.

For Obama: $874 billion for the American Reinvestment and Recovery Act (the stimulus package); $620 billion for the two-year extension of the Bush tax cuts; $324 in "other mandatory spending"; and $113 billion in "other revenue." Subtotal: $1.931 trillion. Subtracted from that are policies that reduce the net deficit: $502 billion in automatic spending cuts; $271 reduction in defense spending; $123 billion in reduced health care spending; $51 billion in reduced non-defense discretionary spending. Total: $983 billion
If we are going to have a conversation here, you need to calm down. Seriously, you arent' doing your health any favors by getting this up tight here.

Once again that is very petty calculation because at the end of the day the current deficit is $1.5 Trillion or in that ball park and has been for the past four years. As President, Obama is responsible for that because he is the one who is capable of changing it and thus it is his responsbility if it doesn't get changed. "The buck stops here".

The Entitlement problem has been building up for decades, as well. Bush tried once again to address part of it and once again the Democrats blocked him and played politics with it. We could absorb the spending Bush made and it can be changed through appropriations. The problem is that the entitlement crisis is baked in to the pie as automatic spending increases and changes in age demography, and unless it is changed, it will crowd everything else out of the budget. This is something you can't blame Bush for creating, because it was created by FDR and LBJ.

And just for the record, I did oppose Medicare Part D being unfunded, the NCLB act, the War in Iraq when it was first starting, the culture of corruption, the incompetent appointees, the immigration policies designed to benefit big agra and the COC, the mishandling of the Wars once they were started, and money for nothing poorly designed bailouts on both Wall Street and Detroit (Certainly you have to do something but you don't start pushing billions into people's laps without conditions).

I get it you, you despised Bush. He isn't hiding under your bed I don't believe, so can you drop the anti-Bush hysteria and have a conversation about some of these problems?



He who lives in a glass house shouldn't throw stones.

It is my obligation to throw stones at people who aren't doing what has to be done to save the country. That goes for both parties. I don't give a damn about this tit for tat playground mentality which you are approaching politics from. It is a complete  dis-service to the country when we have so many pressing issues to deal with.
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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2012, 09:12:43 PM »

The Entitlement problem has been building up for decades, as well. Bush tried once again to address part of it...

You mean the trillion+ dollar prescription drug give away to big pharma?

Did the Democrats block that and prevent it from passing? Tongue lol
Yes, they did. The 108th Congress consisted of 229 House Republicans and 205 Democrats. In the Senate there wer 51 Republicans and 49 Democrats. "The Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act" passed narrowly in the House 220-215. Only 3 Dems voted for it.
In the Senate, Democrats didn't filibuster votes like Republicans do so much now. It passed 54-44 in the Senate. 3 Democrats crossed over and 2 didn't vote.

and prevent it from passing?
They were unsuccessful at preventing its passage obviously. But they tried. That's the difference between those and others. They tried. Democrats saw the faulty math and attempted to block it. Of course, they've never been as ruthless as their GOP counterparts and weren't as successful.
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2012, 09:14:52 PM »

The Entitlement problem has been building up for decades, as well. Bush tried once again to address part of it...

You mean the trillion+ dollar prescription drug give away to big pharma?

Did the Democrats block that and prevent it from passing? Tongue lol
Yes, they did. The 108th Congress consisted of 229 House Republicans and 205 Democrats. In the Senate there wer 51 Republicans and 49 Democrats. "The Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act" passed narrowly in the House 220-215. Only 3 Dems voted for it.
In the Senate, Democrats didn't filibuster votes like Republicans do so much now. It passed 54-44 in the Senate. 3 Democrats crossed over and 2 didn't vote.

and prevent it from passing?
They were unsuccessful at preventing its passage obviously. But they tried. That's the difference between those and others. They tried. Democrats saw the faulty math and attempted to block it. Of course, they've never been as ruthless as their GOP counterparts and weren't as successful.

That is beside the point. Haven't you gotten it yet? Tongue
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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2012, 09:22:11 PM »

The Entitlement problem has been building up for decades, as well. Bush tried once again to address part of it...

You mean the trillion+ dollar prescription drug give away to big pharma?

Did the Democrats block that and prevent it from passing? Tongue lol
Yes, they did. The 108th Congress consisted of 229 House Republicans and 205 Democrats. In the Senate there wer 51 Republicans and 49 Democrats. "The Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act" passed narrowly in the House 220-215. Only 3 Dems voted for it.
In the Senate, Democrats didn't filibuster votes like Republicans do so much now. It passed 54-44 in the Senate. 3 Democrats crossed over and 2 didn't vote.

and prevent it from passing?
They were unsuccessful at preventing its passage obviously. But they tried. That's the difference between those and others. They tried. Democrats saw the faulty math and attempted to block it. Of course, they've never been as ruthless as their GOP counterparts and weren't as successful.

That is beside the point. Haven't you gotten it yet? Tongue
Apparently not.
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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2012, 10:13:56 PM »

The Entitlement problem has been building up for decades, as well. Bush tried once again to address part of it...

You mean the trillion+ dollar prescription drug give away to big pharma?

Did the Democrats block that and prevent it from passing? Tongue lol
Yes, they did. The 108th Congress consisted of 229 House Republicans and 205 Democrats. In the Senate there wer 51 Republicans and 49 Democrats. "The Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act" passed narrowly in the House 220-215. Only 3 Dems voted for it.
In the Senate, Democrats didn't filibuster votes like Republicans do so much now. It passed 54-44 in the Senate. 3 Democrats crossed over and 2 didn't vote.

and prevent it from passing?
They were unsuccessful at preventing its passage obviously. But they tried. That's the difference between those and others. They tried. Democrats saw the faulty math and attempted to block it. Of course, they've never been as ruthless as their GOP counterparts and weren't as successful.

That is beside the point. Haven't you gotten it yet? Tongue
Apparently not.

I wasn't talking about Medicare Part D at all in that line.
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« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2012, 11:20:50 AM »

The fact that Lyndon Johnson was a Democrat and created the most fiscally disastrous programs in US History seems to have been forgotten..

Amnesia, indeed.
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