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« on: August 25, 2012, 08:38:38 am »
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I think a thread for all the 2012 state ballot measures would be interesting.

There's lots of issues this year, everything from legalizing marijuana to redistricting in Ohio/Maryland to Massachusetts becoming the third state to legalize physician assisted suicide to California abolishing the death penalty to several same-sex marriage initiatives and the usual spending/tax measures.

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/2012_ballot_measures

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166 ballot questions are certified for spots on 35 statewide ballots in 2012, as of August 21, 2012.



The states without initiatives or veto referendums can still have measures referred to the ballot by the state legislature I believe (Minnesota, Georgia, etc).

Also it's not a statewide measure, but lol: http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Los_Angeles_Porn_Actors_Required_to_Wear_Condoms_Act_%28November_2012%29
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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2012, 11:46:21 am »
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If you're curious the 2 big issues in Maryland are a version of The Dream act (Question 4) & Marriage Equality (Question 6)

On Both a "Yes" is a Yes vote, So the wording is pretty clear cut.
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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2012, 03:05:02 pm »
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Florida's:
Amendment 1: Florida citizens are allowed to opt-out of Obamacare's individual mandate.
Amendment 2: Uncontroversial property tax break for combat-disabled veterans.
Amendment 3: Places a cap on revenues, and if said revenues extend beyond the cap they go to a rainy-day fund and to tax relief.
Amendment 4: Prohibits increases in the assessed value of homestead property if the fair market value of the property goes down, as well as a variety of other measures related to property.
Amendment 5: Originally made two different Supreme Courts because our Legislature is smart like that. Basically it minimizes the power of the Judiciary.
Amendment 6: Ban on public funds being used for abortion and otherwise lets politicians interfere with women's rights to make decisions about their own reproductive health.
Amendment 8: Taxpayer funding of churches is now essentially required. Yippee!
Amendment 9: Property tax exemption for spouses of military veterans/first responders who died in the line of duty.
Amendment 10: Exemption on ad valorem taxation for personal property that's worth more than $25,000 but less than $50,000.
Amendment 11: Tax exemptions for homes of low-income seniors.
Amendment 12: Council of state university student body presidents created.



Hopefully nays on 5, 6, and 8.
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2012, 05:14:16 pm »
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I hope that's a "lol" in support because it's pretty sad to still see bareback porn in 2012.
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2012, 06:47:52 pm »
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I hope that's a "lol" in support because it's pretty sad to still see bareback porn in 2012.

I just thought it was funny people will be voting on such an issue. I can see the arguments for mandating it (health concerns and such) but honestly I would probably vote no on the measure if I lived there. If consenting adults want to go at it without condoms, go ahead. Enforcing that kind of mandate seems like a tricky issue too.
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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2012, 07:05:14 pm »
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It's not just about consenting adults going at it without condoms, this is their livelihood and their life. They have sex with so many people, and all it takes is one person to lie about not having an STD to infect many.
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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2012, 07:17:03 pm »
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Yeah testing can be thrown off if someone lies (or is unaware). How is this handled in countries where prostitution is legal? I've heard of mandatory testing and licensing but this is the first time I've heard of this.
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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2012, 09:32:59 am »
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Well I was going to make a unique thread for California's propositions alone because we're special, but since I got beaten to the punch I guess I'll go along with this one Tongue At first I thought these props were not as interesting as the high speed rail/same-sex marriage shenanigans of '08, but on closer look a lot of these would have more tangible effects on the California populace:

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_2012_ballot_propositions

Proposition 30: Raises a bunch of taxes to pay for stuff (mostly education). Most notable is raising the income tax for people making over $250,000 for 7 years.

Proposition 31: Establishes a 2-year state budget cycle, makes it harder for the state legislature to spend without offsets, makes it easier for the governor to unilaterally cut the budget.

Proposition 32: Bans corporate/union contributions to politicians. Basically would screw over government unions.

Proposition 33: Looks like it allows car insurance companies to price discriminate against new customers based on their histories of prior insurance coverage, as opposed to right now (they can only offer differing rates for existing customers).

Proposition 34: Repeals the death penalty.

Proposition 35: Stricter laws (i.e. longer prison terms, registration, disclosure, fines, etc..) against human traffickers and sex offenders.

Proposition 36: Revises the infamous "3 strikes law" so that if your 3rd convinction was not violent then it's not an automatic life sentence.

Proposition 37: Title says it all - Mandatory Labeling of Genetically Engineered Food.

Proposition 38: Increases state income taxes (progressively from 0.4% for $7,316 to 2.2% for $2.5 million) for 12 years and earmarks them for public school districts and early childhood development programs.

Proposition 39: Basically closes loopholes that allow multistate businesses to dodge paying taxes in California. Earmarks this projected $550 million in revenue to fund clean energy jobs.

Proposition 40: Referendum on the California State Senate redistricting plan. A "yes" vote keeps the map intact, a "no" vote overturns it.
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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2012, 09:43:33 am »
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Reading through Ballotpedia, there appears to be a ton of chicanery surrounding this year's propositions, even more than usual. For example:

Propositions 30, 38, and 39 are all tax increases. Why is the Jerry Brown-backed Proposition 30 first? Polls have shown that when 3 tax increases are on the ballot, they all stand a greater chance of failing. But failing that, the first one stands the best chance of passing. Typically the order of the propositions on the ballot is done in the order in which the signatures were submitted. What is now Prop 38 was submitted before Prop 30. However Jerry Brown signed a bill in June that changes this rule to one in which constitutional amendments (aka Prop 30) appear first on the ballot before any proposed state statues (aka Props 38 & 39).

Speaking of Proposition 39, the California State Senate is on the verge of passing a bill very similar to it. If that happens then Prop 39 becomes pointless.

And speaking of pointless ballot measures, Prop 40 was vigorously sponsored by the California Republican Party, until they decided that the map wasn't so unfavorable for them anymore. Hence they dropped their opposition to the map, but it's too late to get the proposition removed from the ballot so....yeah. Yet another example of California Republican fail.
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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2012, 09:48:12 am »
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30: Yes
31: No
32: No
33: No
34: Yes
35: Yes
36: Yes
37: No
38: Yes
39: Yes
40: Yes
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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2012, 10:15:59 am »
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30: Nay (Tax hike)
31: Yea (Good, keeping budget under control)
32: Yea (Keeps corporate money out of politics)
33: Yea (Makes sense)
34: Yea (Human rights)
35: Yea (Good)
36: Yea (Good)
37: Yea (Good)
38: Yea (normally I oppose tax hikes, but since it's for schools)
39: Yea (closing loopholes is good)
40: Nay (not a fan of the current map)
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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2012, 05:09:32 pm »
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Florida's:

Amendment 6: Ban on public funds being used for abortion and otherwise lets politicians interfere with women's rights to make decisions about their own reproductive health.


It's even worse than that. It would remove women from the provision in the constitution that provides that each person is to be free from government interference.
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« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2012, 05:51:17 pm »
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Florida's:

Amendment 6: Ban on public funds being used for abortion and otherwise lets politicians interfere with women's rights to make decisions about their own reproductive health.


It's even worse than that. It would remove women from the provision in the constitution that provides that each person is to be free from government interference.

That's why I added the second section; "lets politicians interfere with women's rights to make decisions about their own reproductive health".
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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2012, 06:40:04 pm »
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Florida's:

Amendment 6: Ban on public funds being used for abortion and otherwise lets politicians interfere with women's rights to make decisions about their own reproductive health.


It's even worse than that. It would remove women from the provision in the constitution that provides that each person is to be free from government interference.

That's why I added the second section; "lets politicians interfere with women's rights to make decisions about their own reproductive health".

I meant that the ramifications could go beyond abortion. They're doing this because courts have cited that provision while ruling in the pro-choice side's favor.
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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2012, 09:42:48 pm »
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I think the marijuana legalization initiative in Oregon is going to fail.

This just doesn't strike me as a winning campaign: http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-19599-mari_wanna.html
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« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2012, 09:55:40 am »
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As a side note, the Utah legislature keeps making it harder to put initiatives on the ballot (from what I can remember, now the requirement is some absurdly high number like 15-20% of the vote from the last election or whatnot).

So even though you can put stuff on the ballot in Utah, it's quite difficult now.
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« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2012, 07:55:41 pm »
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The assisted-suicide initiative in Massachusetts looks likely to pass: http://www.pewstates.org/projects/stateline/headlines/a-new-battleground-in-right-to-die-debate-85899416520

Oh and another one of those terrible 2/3 legislative supermajority requirements for tax increases measures has made the ballot, now in Michigan: http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Michigan_Taxation_Amendment_%282012%29

Those always poll well and give Republicans disproportionate leverage (see California) once implemented. I don't think the PPACA would have passed in the 111th session if Congress had such a requirement, unless reconciliation could override it.

These requirements are limited to a minority of states but I think we'll see more measures coming: http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/budget/legislative-supermajority-to-raise-taxes%E2%80%942008.aspx
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« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2012, 08:09:57 pm »
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There are all sorts of local Propositions I'm undecided on, but here's how I'll vote on the state ones

30 yes - mostly a tax on the rich
31 no - seems overly complicated
32 no - union-busting
33 no - raises insurance
34 yes - the death penalty is wasting some serious money
35 no - probably unconstitutional
36 yes - might save even more money than 34
37 yes - what's the harm?
38 no - raises tax on the middle class
39 yes - they can afford to pay
40 yes - obviously
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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2012, 07:18:37 pm »
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Georgia has one rather contentious constitutional amendment about granting the state government the power to force local school districts to construct charter schools in their area, even if the local board is opposed to it.  The state Superintendent, John Barge, and Nathan Deal (both Republicans) have come out rather publicly against each other over the issue - Deal supports it, Barge is opposed.
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« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2012, 01:20:40 pm »
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So apparently my ballot (Los Angeles) has something called Question B, which asks if it should be mandatory for performers in adult films to wear condoms.
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« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2012, 04:58:11 pm »
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My decision on Washington ballot measures:

R-74 (same sex marriage): Lean yes
I-502 (marijuana legalisation): Yes
I-1185 (2/3 legislative majority to raise taxes): Yes
I-1240 (public charter schools): Yes
SJR 8221 (Debt limit): Yes
SJR 8223 (Universities investing in private stock): Yes
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« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2012, 05:07:56 pm »
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My decision on Washington ballot measures:

R-74 (same sex marriage): Lean yes

My boyfriend and I thank you.
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« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2012, 05:23:03 pm »
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So apparently my ballot (Los Angeles) has something called Question B, which asks if it should be mandatory for performers in adult films to wear condoms.

Surely you're voting yes?
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« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2012, 05:36:54 pm »
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So apparently my ballot (Los Angeles) has something called Question B, which asks if it should be mandatory for performers in adult films to wear condoms.

Surely you're voting yes?

People should absolutely wear condoms, and having pornographic actors wear them is a good teachable moment. Still, I feel like there's no point in voting yes. Requiring condoms in pornography shot in LA will do absolutely nothing but lead production companies to drive 20 or 30 minutes east to shoot. It doesn't seem like it'll do anything but hurt the local economy.
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« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2012, 06:31:26 pm »
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My decision on Washington ballot measures:

R-74 (same sex marriage): Lean yes

My boyfriend and I thank you.

Thank you for dropping that awful moderate routine. Wink
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