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« on: August 27, 2012, 12:29:15 AM »



Obama actually leads 49-42 among all adults.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postabcpoll_20120825.html
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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2012, 12:32:05 AM »

Mitt Romney has strong personal character? In what universe can that argument be made?
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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2012, 12:34:48 AM »

Very good to see! Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2012, 12:36:09 AM »

Does "all adults" indicate that they poll people who aren't even registered?  I forget.
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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2012, 03:00:16 AM »

The partisan make - up of this poll sample is D+9.
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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2012, 03:19:29 AM »

Does "all adults" indicate that they poll people who aren't even registered?  I forget.

Yes.

It's apparently 49-47 R/O among likely voters.
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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2012, 03:40:19 AM »

This poll is weird, Obama's approval rating is +4 (50-46) up from -2 (47-49) last month. Yet he still is running behind his approval rating? I've heard of running ahead, but behind?
And apparently there was no Ryan bounce for Romney either. Last month they were tied 47-47. Obama just fell -1, statistically insignificant. So, like everyone's been saying, a pretty static race.
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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2012, 04:21:10 AM »

This poll is weird, Obama's approval rating is +4 (50-46) up from -2 (47-49) last month. Yet he still is running behind his approval rating? I've heard of running ahead, but behind?

That's among all adults - among registered voters, it's 47/50 approval/disapproval. This has more.

It's not uncommon to run behind approval. Bush did in '04, if you go by exit polls, and Clinton did in '96, though that was a three-way race. I believe LBJ did as well.
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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2012, 04:53:19 AM »

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Still a net gain for Obama, but Romney is on the up and up. In the approval rating department, though, Obama has went from 47% in July to 50% in this poll. People with no opinion remained the same, with those gains coming from former disapprovers.

People's anxiety with what Romney would do over the next four years is also higher than that of Obama's (57/63).
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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2012, 08:29:18 AM »

Mitt Romney has strong personal character? In what universe can that argument be made?

Voters are idiot, example #6,972,114
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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2012, 09:01:36 AM »

D+9 sample and Romney leads. Excellent.
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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2012, 09:14:57 AM »

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Polling on this question seems to be all over the place, as Quinnipiac found Romney far behind Obama on the Medicare issue.
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« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2012, 09:20:41 AM »

Mitt Romney has strong personal character? In what universe can that argument be made?

My first thoughts, exactly.
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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2012, 09:22:40 AM »

Ha. And my favorite part of this poll:

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« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2012, 09:24:25 AM »

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Polling on this question seems to be all over the place, as Quinnipiac found Romney far behind Obama on the Medicare issue.

Because people have no idea how to answer. The coverage of policy affecting Medicare is horrible, you can't blame them for being all over the place.
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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2012, 09:29:27 AM »

The partisan make - up of this poll sample is D+9.

Yes, for the adult poll.
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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2012, 09:51:19 AM »

Splendid news!

Obama hack and slash and burn campaign can certainly depress his turnout.
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« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2012, 10:53:42 AM »

Partisan ID of the Registered Voter sample is D+7

Ed Morrissey has an interesting take on the poll. http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/27/romney-up-1-in-new-wapoabc-poll-4746/
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« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2012, 12:10:25 PM »

Obama needs to tackle the economy and deficit issues head on. They are just too big to simply try and kick up dust around using social issues, Medicare, or Romney's tax returns and Bain Capital activities. It's not that he's necessarily going to "win" on handling the economy, but there's a case to be made there.

Of course, that's what I would do if I was on their team. Smiley It may just be a matter of having no choice but to talk more about it.
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« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2012, 02:08:02 PM »

The partisan make - up of this poll sample is D+9.

Something I noticed is that the number of independents is high and the amount of democrats and republicans is lower than in other polls. Just who are these independents? Something to keep in mind.
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« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2012, 09:11:16 PM »

The partisan make - up of this poll sample is D+9.

Something I noticed is that the number of independents is high and the amount of democrats and republicans is lower than in other polls. Just who are these independents? Something to keep in mind.

The partisan ID question is always an interesting one.

If you just ask the question straight out, a lot of independents who actually lean one way or the other will say their are independent, but if you push then a good chunk will express a party preference.

A baseline I think is useful this year is to use the 2008 and 2004 exit polls.

In 2004 the partisan ID of folks who actually voted was almost exactly even between Republicans and Dems - depending on which data set you use it was either even or GOP +1.

In 2008 it was Dems +7.

I think GOP +1 to Dems +7 pretty much defines the other limits of where polling should be in 2012.

I doubt ANYBODY sane will suggest Obama is in better shape now than in 2008, and I doubt we will see a GOP +1 either....
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« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2012, 12:22:29 AM »

Obama needs to tackle the economy and deficit issues head on. They are just too big to simply try and kick up dust around using social issues, Medicare, or Romney's tax returns and Bain Capital activities. It's not that he's necessarily going to "win" on handling the economy, but there's a case to be made there.

Of course, that's what I would do if I was on their team. Smiley It may just be a matter of having no choice but to talk more about it.

There were some suggestions of a convention mea culpa, but:

A.  I doubt that he'll do it.

B.  I doubt if it will work.
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« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2012, 06:04:25 PM »

The partisan make - up of this poll sample is D+9.

Something I noticed is that the number of independents is high and the amount of democrats and republicans is lower than in other polls. Just who are these independents? Something to keep in mind.

The partisan ID question is always an interesting one.

If you just ask the question straight out, a lot of independents who actually lean one way or the other will say their are independent, but if you push then a good chunk will express a party preference.

A baseline I think is useful this year is to use the 2008 and 2004 exit polls.

In 2004 the partisan ID of folks who actually voted was almost exactly even between Republicans and Dems - depending on which data set you use it was either even or GOP +1.

In 2008 it was Dems +7.

I think GOP +1 to Dems +7 pretty much defines the other limits of where polling should be in 2012.

I doubt ANYBODY sane will suggest Obama is in better shape now than in 2008, and I doubt we will see a GOP +1 either....

     It's a fair notion. Based on my impression of the campaign year so far, we might be looking at an average of 2004 and 2008 numbers, so roughly D+3 overall. It just doesn't seem like either party has a really substantial advantage in terms of public perception.
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